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By jumberto | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 18:49 PM
All very good points, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I must concede Terry was fantastic for Chelsea last season, especially during the CL winning run where he starred in the group stage defeat to Leverkusen and draw with Valencia whilst missing three of the other group matches. I also enjoyed him at his towering best in the 4-1 defeat to Liverpool and the 5-3 against Arsenal, to name two of his finer moments of the successful league campaign where they secured a fine 6th place finish.

I also forgot that during the Euros he was simply superb and was at no point made to look like a League Two plodder. I can't recall a single occasion of him being bounced around and outpaced by opposing forwards or him breaking the defensive line and almost costing England goals.

Rio may be too old for England, but he's not the only one.

Just to boil it back, you said you couldn't understand why Terry was preferred over Ferdinand. I just outline why, I didn't however say that Terry was a good choice, just merely a better choice than Ferdinand.

There's a certain historical, partly logical, reasoning in having a strong mature leader at the back. Maybe that's where Hodgson's desires lie. But if I was to offer my unsarcastic opinion neither should have been even mooted for selection since 2010.

England have a very odd problem about bringing new players in, or at least they did until Hodgson. Say what you like, he is bringing in more players to the international scene than other managers. Which is a good thing. Rio Ferdinand and John Terry have been playing for England for over a decade and have achieved nothing. It's sad that we're even debating their merits, sad because it shows, typically, the dearth of talent England has.

The debate about Ferdinand only exists because the media wants it to exist, he has been non existant at international level for a long time and they are only doing so because it's a great story, a scandalous mishandling of an explosive situation involving skullduggery and racism.

Sadly if only the reality was that. The reasoning is that Hodgson just thinks Ferdinand is shit and Terry isn't. I'm inclined to agree.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 18:54 PM
I'd agree completely with this, but when you consider Gerrard's performance at the Euros and the fact that he's captain, in comparison with Rio's lack of selection in recent years, it's understandable as to why Hodgson has made the decisions he has. I'd probably agree that Lampard should really be in the same boat as Rio though.

Gerrard was definitely one of our better players at the Euros, but we were appalling and the football we played was dogshit. We were overrun in midfield and his better moments came when he was standing on the right wing or taking set-pieces. In a more progressive system that Roy is suggesting we'll be playing I don't think he'll cut it, especially at 34, in the heat of Brazil, when he's already been regressing for 2 years now.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 18:58 PM
Just to boil it back, you said you couldn't understand why Terry was preferred over Ferdinand. I just outline why, I didn't however say that Terry was a good choice, just merely a better choice than Ferdinand.

There's a certain historical, partly logical, reasoning in having a strong mature leader at the back. Maybe that's where Hodgson's desires lie. But if I was to offer my unsarcastic opinion neither should have been even mooted for selection since 2010.

England have a very odd problem about bringing new players in, or at least they did until Hodgson. Say what you like, he is bringing in more players to the international scene than other managers. Which is a good thing. Rio Ferdinand and John Terry have been playing for England for over a decade and have achieved nothing. It's sad that we're even debating their merits, sad because it shows, typically, the dearth of talent England has.

The debate about Ferdinand only exists because the media wants it to exist, he has been non existant at international level for a long time and they are only doing so because it's a great story, a scandalous mishandling of an explosive situation involving skullduggery and racism.

Sadly if only the reality was that. The reasoning is that Hodgson just thinks Ferdinand is shit and Terry isn't. I'm inclined to agree.


I actually said I thought it was strange Roy would make his feelings on wanting Terry (who has wronged) so clear whilst at the same time stubbornly ignoring a defender of similar age, experience and ability and doing so in a slightly disrespectful manner, that's all. I agree with you that neither should be in the squad if England are looking to move forward towards the next WC.

I don't agree that Rio is shit and Terry isn't. From watching both players regularly I just think that's rubbish, but each to their own. You're suggesting I'm only saying this because the media are making it a story but it's the media who have been overplaying the narrative that Rio is a perma-crocked past-it who can no longer cut it and many people have gone along with this, including yourself. Having watched every United game, I can tell you that it's just not the case. I couldn't care less what the media write, I barely pay any attention to it, let alone let it influence my own opinions
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As an international player Rio is shit. I'm being extremely reductive, but I can't be bothered to list all his faults, just take my word for it that I could. I also can't be bothered to extol the virtues of Terry in comparison, because as I said, I can't be bothered. It really all comes down to the fact I don't really care about England. Either Terry is shit or he's good, Ferdinand is shit, or he isn't. Either way both will be used to fuel opinion come World Cup 2014 and I won't be bothered then.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 17:51 PM
The whole situation has been poorly handled but I think Hodgson's acted accordingly up to now. He was a bit of a fool to be talking about it on the tube but it's been massively blown out of proportion.

I don't really see the fuss over what Hodgson did. He was asked a question by a fan, and he gave an honest answer. I actually find that refreshing to see a manager just tell it how is. More so when it's Rio, someone who hasn't really played much International football over recent years. I'm sure it wasn't all that surprising to hear that Rio's England career is more or less done.

I can see it being a bit more of an issue if it was someone who had been a regular over the last couple of years, but not with someone who's hardly featured.

I think Fanny is spot on though with what he's said.
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I don't think anyone has a problem with:

'Is Rio in the squad?' 'No'

As you say, he's not been in the squad recently and I don't think it's a surprise that he's not now. But if he did go on to say:

'I have to say it is over for him and England. It has got to be the end of the road.'

Without first talking to Rio and telling him that, I think that's very unprofessional, and that's why Hodgson has tried hard to distance himself from that part of the comments.
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By Verse | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 23:45 PM
I don't really see the fuss over what Hodgson did. He was asked a question by a fan, and he gave an honest answer. I actually find that refreshing to see a manager just tell it how is. More so when it's Rio, someone who hasn't really played much International football over recent years. I'm sure it wasn't all that surprising to hear that Rio's England career is more or less done.

I can see it being a bit more of an issue if it was someone who had been a regular over the last couple of years, but not with someone who's hardly featured.

I think Fanny is spot on though with what he's said.

I don't agree with the outrage expressed at his comments but I also don't think it's right for the England manager to be discussing such matters on the tube before he's even spoken to the player. His decision itself isn't under question here, it's the manner in which that decision came into the public domain.
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I wouldn't say Rio Ferdinand is shit, he was an absolute monster at Anfield, just looks to have gone back to being as inconsistent as he was when he was first starting out. I don't think his lack of pace would be a problem at international level because he's without question a better reader of the ball than Terry, his time is over and we've got the likes of Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross, Chris Smalling, Steven Caulker and Phil Jones who need game time in internationals to be ready for major tournaments.
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Fuck it, Jamie Carragher for England.
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By Carroll. | Permalink | On 06 October 2012 - 14:20 PM
Fuck it, Jamie Carragher for England.


Ay, calm the fuck down.
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By Deano | Permalink | On 06 October 2012 - 14:50 PM
Ay, calm the fuck down.


http://www.dutchreds.com/components/com_fpss/images/Jamie_Carragher.jpg
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Great. Rooney to captain England. Roy, you fucking mug, he is just as bad as Terry for fucks sake!

Disgusting.
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 12 October 2012 - 06:24 AM
Great. Rooney to captain England. Roy, you fucking mug, he is just as bad as Terry for fucks sake!

Disgusting.

Wow.
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By Carroll. | Permalink | On 06 October 2012 - 15:58 PM
http://www.dutchreds.com/components/com_fpss/images/Jamie_Carragher.jpg


Overrated through his whole career.

By chokosc | Permalink | On 12 October 2012 - 06:24 AM
Great. Rooney to captain England. Roy, you fucking mug, he is just as bad as Terry for fucks sake!

Disgusting.


Shut up.
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England to win 3-0 tonight and the whole country will moan about how shite they are for not winning 24-0 and cry for Hodgson's resignation.

Offering 2/1 odds on that
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Off to the game tonight. Hoping for double figures.
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It's sold out apparently
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England team: Hart, Walker, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines, Carrick, Cleverley, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Rooney (c) & Welbeck
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Woah woah woah, Carrick is playing?
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According to SSN.
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6-1 England win. San Marino will get a cheeky goal at the very end of the game when both squads are just dogging it to get it over with.
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You sure it's a sell out? I swear I can see empty seats...
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He got the ball Andy, JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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Lets say you placed a bet on England to score within first 10 minutes, would you get your money back because of that?
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By Carroll. | Permalink | On 12 October 2012 - 20:10 PM
Lets say you placed a bet on England to score within first 10 minutes, would you get your money back because of that?


Doubt it tbh
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"World Cup no-hopers doing well so far. And San Marino aren't that bad either. Boom boom."

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Only another 11 goals needed now from England to win me a load of money.

Won't happen if they keep wasting chance after chance.

2-0 WELBECK YAY \o/
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Welbeck definitely didn't mean that.
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Welbeck loves a flick!
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BRING CARROLL!!! good header, Welbeck and Rooney can't!

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