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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 16 June 2013 - 17:14 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/189448/Metacritics_weighting_system_revealed.php

Adding a weighting to each publication is the only fair way to do, different sites use different methods to score their games so weighting evens up the scores to make them relevant when converted to the 100 scale that Metacritic uses.


You can't add some and ignore the rest though. Plus you have publishers paying certain outlets for favourable reviews and that again bumps up the Metascore. Their weighting system is skewed by weighting places above others.
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I've explained twice now why it's weighted, I'm not going to do it again.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 16 June 2013 - 17:46 PM
You can't add some and ignore the rest though. Plus you have publishers paying certain outlets for favourable reviews and that again bumps up the Metascore. Their weighting system is skewed by weighting places above others.

Sure you can. They have done.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 16 June 2013 - 19:09 PM
Sure you can. They have done.


Yes but they are adding more weight to places that do not deserve it. Their weighting is suspect and not as open as they have tried to make it seem.
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That comment proves what I originally thought, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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tbf to KM, this time he may have a legit point. It wouldn't be unthinkable that metacritic may 'cook the books' to make a score higher.
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By Shola | Permalink | On 16 June 2013 - 22:53 PM
tbf to KM, this time he may have a legit point. It wouldn't be unthinkable that metacritic may 'cook the books' to make a score higher.

I don't really see how that benefits them, unless someone was paying them to do it, which in turn would destroy the credibility of the site if discovered.

The weighting just places greater importance on websites with certain scoring styles and on more renowned publications.
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I don't really know much about publishers putting pressure on reviewers, or how common it is, but the above statement also applies to Gamespot, and they sacked a reviewer for a bad review (Kane and Lynch). Eidos were sponsoring Gamespot heavily at the time. It seems possible, that metacritic could give a higher weighting to friendly reviewers.

I have no idea if any of this happens. But when they millions of dollars are at stake, I suppose it wouldn't be unthinkable.


Also, Metacritic and Gamespot are both owned by CNET. Tin foil hat time.
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They weight based on reviewer not by game though. Put it this way, I could start a website tomorrow, right some bad reviews, give arbitrary scores and get put on metacritic. Should my review be worth the same a review which has been written by a tried and tested professional? One who has a good knowledge of the industry, a portfolio of reviews, an editor and has gone through a rigorous interview process and passed.

That's not to say my opinion wouldn't valid, but reviews aren't wholly opinion pieces. They're persuasive. The reviewer plays the game, writes an informed review and uses that to try and persuade the reader to either buy or not buy the product. Even if they don't say it outright, that's what they're doing. Me scrawling "COD IS SHIT 17.2%" or "BLADE KITTEN IS AWESOME 96.8%" on a wall in a public bathroom isn't a review. Blade Kitten was awesome though... and I wrote a review about it.

Metacritic COULD weight reviews by game without telling anyone and might get away with it, but why? What would they gain? Nothing and if they got caught, noone would ever trust them again.
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So everyone have been saying that Xbox One is just a giant turd, yet Forza 5 alone is making me lean towards getting it, if I even get a next-gen console at all.
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I'm getting it.

Microsoft are actually trying different things and evolving the console.

The PS4 is just a more powerful PS3, I can't see anything that makes it any different, other than a touch pad on the controller.
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I'm getting a PS4 because I got an Xbox last time and I want to alternate it. I'll probably get whatever my friends get ultimately.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 16 June 2013 - 23:03 PM
I don't really see how that benefits them, unless someone was paying them to do it, which in turn would destroy the credibility of the site if discovered.

The weighting just places greater importance on websites with certain scoring styles and on more renowned publications.


This time I do. While a weighted system is ideal and perfect on paper, the Metacritic model doesn't give the scores fairly or equally. So if X gives it a 4 out of 5 and Y gives it the same then why doesn't Metacritic score it the same on their scale? They give scores differently per outlet and that is the issue.
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Not every publicaton carries the same gravitas. For example, the Official Playstation magazine is weighted downwards because they have a tendency to over rate games on their system because they're biased.

If every publication was just given an equal footing it would not give a fair representation because metacritic tries to accomodate exterior permutations. It is trying to take something subjective and create an objective result based upon collective reasoning.

It's not perfect, no one's saying that, but it is by far the best method to gauge the quality of a game. If they didn't think weighting was necessary, trust me, they wouldn't do it because the process of aggregating scores suddenly becomes something a seven year old can do with a calculator.
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By Flash. | Permalink | On 17 June 2013 - 03:35 AM
I'm getting it.

Microsoft are actually trying different things and evolving the console.

The PS4 is just a more powerful PS3, I can't see anything that makes it any different, other than a touch pad on the controller.


Different things being screwing you over and charging you £80 more for the privilege?

Fair enough
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I'll be getting the PS4. Xbone is a fucking joke.
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Dont get me wrong the whole installing games once and never having to use the disk thing is great but if its at the expense of used game restriction and having to connect online once every 24 hours then id rather stick with the system we have at the moment.

As for things going digital anyway, that may be the case but Xbox are forcing it while the PS4 is giving you the choice, if you want to buy digital copies of games via PSN you can and you know when you buy that you cant trade it in or anything but Xbox are just taking away the option entirely and making out like they're doing you a favour, they're just out of touch.
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By Flash. | Permalink | On 17 June 2013 - 03:35 AM
I'm getting it.

Microsoft are actually trying different things and evolving the console.

The PS4 is just a more powerful PS3, I can't see anything that makes it any different, other than a touch pad on the controller.

That's literally exactly the same as the Xbox One.

Except, they're 'evolving the console' by adding a ton of restrictions on what you can do with games you've bought.

It's like saying 'I'm bored of driving cars with round wheels, I'm going to by a car with square ones because at least they're trying different things and evolving the car'.
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I think he's talking about how they're trying to make it into a all around entertainment system rather than a games console.
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Its not an all round entertainment system though because it just has pass through for the TV stuff, you'll still need a traditional set top box so its still just an additional box and not 'the one'
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I'd rather buy my games at the shop, regardless of whether i can get them directly on the Xbox.
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By Crane | Permalink | On 17 June 2013 - 16:55 PM
I think he's talking about how they're trying to make it into a all around entertainment system rather than a games console.


This.

The voice commands, TV stuff, being able to swap instantly between games without even having to change disks, having one game search for a opponent while playing a different game, background updates, using other apps while playing a game/watching TV (eg. Skype while playing Fifa), the app integration with TV (Fantasy Football while the games on, live updates etc).

Even stuff like the force feedback triggers, which are apparently awesome.

There's tonnes of cool stuff.
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It looks like a very good console, but Microsofts E3 was a PR nightmare. Not least of all because they completely misjudged what Sony were going to do.
Also, have a read of this.
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Just finished watching some dude play through The Last of Us, since I don't have a PS3 and it is so good. So good. I haven't felt so emotional about a game for a long long time, and someone said there's going to be story DLC coming too!
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Just finished it, the most gripping story I've ever played through in a game. Fantastic.
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What was your total playthrough time?
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14 hours 57 minutes.
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We at Xbox love games. More importantly, we at Xbox love gamers. Today we announced changes to #XboxOne and how you can play, share, loan and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Also, an internet connection won’t be required to play offline #XboxOne games. Thank you to our loyal fans for all of your support. We look forward to gaming with you for years to come.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Think it's a case off too little too late for me, they've only done it because they've shit themselves. It's still the same price and I'm warming to the idea of a PS4.
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By Deano | Permalink | On 19 June 2013 - 22:10 PM
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Think it's a case off too little too late for me, they've only done it because they've shit themselves. It's still the same price and I'm warming to the idea of a PS4.

This. Also they're not listening to the gamers they're listening to the preorders IMO.

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