Cut-Out Player Faces Megapack
Our Cut-Out Faces Megapack is the biggest collection of Football Manager Player Faces available. All players are available in the default cut-out style. When you download our Cut-Out Faces Megapack, you'll receive over 480,000 player faces to spice up your copy of Football Manager.
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- 2025.01 - Released on 04 Dec 2024
mons
Since there does not seem to be any major objection in principle, I am proposing that from this point on @ducc's proposal is to be followed; namely:
I hope that everybody will follow this new system as much as possible so that the overall quality of the megapack continues to keep improving. I have seen that some cutters, but not all, are following this system already and I would like everybody to do so in the coming days.
I will leave cutters to deal with sources as they wish, we're all adults after all, but I personally think it would be a pity if some of the excellent sources being requested are cut in 180x180 when 250x250 would also be possible.
Original post:
Following this conversation with @Vinceultras42 and @ducc, I would like to see the opinion of the community as to whether we should consider starting to produce cuts in 250x250 instead of the present 180x180.
The present system started way back in 2008, when the SI default size was 180x180, large monitors and large resolutions were not as common as today and HQ sources were not as easy to come by. Now that things have moved on, would it make sense to increase the default cut-out size accordingly?
I am listing some of the pros and cons of this decision to stimulate discussion.
Benefits:
Better and clearer overall quality of cuts
Good-quality sources providing higher-quality cuts
Higher resolution users enjoy a better standard of cut
Drawbacks:
Poor and lower-resolution sources would see a bigger difference in quality than at present
The existing megapack cuts would either need to be resized (thus leading to an overall loss in quality) or updated to the bigger dimensions (a lot of work) or retained as is (thus leading to different megapack sizes).
Most of the sources from which megapack cuts are produced are generally not high quality and this decision would ensure that lower-quality sources would be even more of a significantly lower level than at present.
I'm tagging the regular requesters and cutters to gauge feedback as to the way forward. If you're not part of the below group, you're of course still welcome to contribute to the discussion and that doesn't in any way mean your contribution isn't valued.
While we're all here, I'd be interested to see if there's any suggestion as to changes or improvements to the megapack, the request system or anything else you may think is relevant or important to its continued improvement
@bakizp @Baja @Swedie @marrtac @HRiddick @pololuxury @diogoamaral @maxtod77 @rekooner2 @Tatavo @cksrl1000 @delhomme @Lebohang Mokoena @arryst @fumuj @pololuxury @krissmed @ArturM @katalonczyk22 @Boudewijn @Rowan
HRiddick
Lebohang Mokoena
But If a pic is high queality and a 250x250 cut can be done, why not?
maxtod77
180x180
250x250
spix22
I have the same opinion
Vinceultras42
Personally I use a lot of 250x250 on MB Media or Official Club and Zimbio Media
Also the basic one included in the game or I find a lot of missing according to the clubs
The 180x180 mix with 250x250 does not really bother
Version 180x180
Version 250x250
rekooner2
Baja
krissmed
bakizp
2) Imperfections like snow,dirt,etc. will be a bit more visible.
3) Cuts from bad sources will still look bad,it's not that important.
3) Resizing old cuts - NO.
4) Shirt (collar) policy should stay as it is,we are working with squares,not rectangles.Bigger square doesn't mean there's more room for shirt,the goal is to have bigger faces.
So,I'm in for this
P.S.: Jump from 180 to 250 is not that drastic.
mickbhoy
Baja
After icons MP it would be nightmare to have 2 more separated Megapacks.If any cuter wants 250x250 he should make them as that and use in the same size for himself but cuts for main Megapack should stay as 180x180...Also I'm disagree with @bakizp ,we have a lot low quality cuts but for example smaller sources (just head) from 150x150 could produce very good 180x180 cut,but it would be bad 250x250 cut.
bakizp
Example from futhead would be nice to be seen side by side.
ducc
As can be seen from Vinceultras42's screenshots, some fan-made skins do not resize the images on all screens – a quality which might emerge in SI's skins as well.
With the above on mind I would suggest the following flexible system. You decide if it has any merits.
ducc
Or
Lebohang Mokoena
It's not that easy. Sure big teams have good sources to do 250x250 or even bigger, but there's lots of teams where making it wouldn't be possible unless you add some shirt, specially in staff pics. Look this one for example. It had to add lots of shirt for make it suitable for 180x180.
bakizp
Chance to find example in megapack like that is 1:10000 .If it was requested,it should have been rejected like many other ones in the past.
arryst
The problem is the 200k pictures that will now need improvement cuts, and that means a lot of work...
mons
My proposal to resize all the existing MP images wasn't meant entirely seriously, was more to spark conversation. I don't think it'd make sense to decrease the quality of the MP in the way it would using this method.
My main idea would have been to have all images in 250x250 from this point on, but doing so would rule out some sources from being cut. I don't mind including an extra 4-5 pixels of shirt if the source quality is poor, but having 20 pixels or so to compensate for poor source quality isn't the solution imo.
Only a very small proportion of sources and requests will be as good as that Kante image, though. Most will be much smaller, though, and we should keep that in mind.
As for your in-game screenshots, that's a feature of that particular skin. Most skins don't display player faces according to the dimensions they're in but in a set size. The only difference for these skins in terms of the megapack would be that 250x250 cuts appear much crisper than 180x180 cuts for obvious reasons.
I take note of @rekooner2's and @Baja's wish to stay with 180x180, although I have to say that rekooner's statement that 180x180 is better image quality when compared to 250x250 doesn't make a lot of sense imo. Good sources would provide good quality cuts even in 250x250.
I can see where you're coming from, but it's already hard enough for me to keep track of the MP as it is and I definitely don't have the time and inclination to run a parallel poorer version of the megapack.
Agreed in all cases
I agree with everything here, mostly this proposal. How would everybody react if this were the way forward?
@Lebohang Mokoena, I have to say I agree with baki here. I always say that having a poor cut is better than having no cut at all, but one has to draw a line at some point. Some people quite simply don't have sources good enough available online to provide a good cut
Encapsulates my initial feelings very well and concisely
bakizp
I think we all agree that redoing the old cuts is out of question.If we adopt this new format,we just continue like nothing happened.
bakizp
I fully agree on this
mons
This has the benefit of allowing the present cuts and also taking into consideration poorer sources, while at the same time allowing higher-resolution sources to be cut in a manner more fitting their higher quality.
Unless you use skins like the one in the Vinceultras42 screenshot further up the thread, this way won't affect anybody's game that much other than some people having higher-quality cuts than others, which is already the case at present in cases where some people's cuts come from poorer sources.
What do you all think? Would this be a suitable compromise to ensure that the megapack keeps going strong?
alex164
Swedie
arryst
The upcoming World Cup will provide plenty of HQ sources to start with
There could be a disclaimer on the website that mentions the skins that won't work properly with the megapack, as in the ones that don't have a set size for the faces.
marrtac
rekooner2
mons
It looks like the below is the favoured option for now, but I want to hear more feedback before making it official
- Have 2 standard sizes: 180x180 and 250x250.
- Leave the existing images be – no resizing.
- Everyone should strive to make all the new cuts in the larger size, but if good source images simply are not available, 180x180 will do as well.
In the meantime, wherever possible, I'd like all cutters to start cutting in 250x250 where the sources allow. Should we not go down that road, it'll be easy enough to resize them down to 180x180...rekooner2
Lebohang Mokoena
I'm agree