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#678242 Nicolás Giraldo
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By mons 15 February 2022 - 17:37 PM UTC 

@woken_sali, please please please take the time to check the current megapack cut before deciding to cut a source. The current cut is excellent and only a couple of months old and there's absolutely no need for it to be updated

 

All images like this do is give me extra work to check more images; it's a waste of your time too because it's not an improvement…

 

So sorry @mons, I honestly missed this cut last night, I usually check one by one before uploading and as I uploaded so many yesterday I must have made a mistake. My respective apologies.
Best Regards

#672004 Cristian Bordacahar
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By mons 03 January 2022 - 18:58 PM UTC 

I see where you're coming from, but if you have to upscale the original source to get to 250x and the current cut is recent and of good quality, then the likelihood is that it won't be an improvement as it'll lose a fair bit of quality and sharpness. Furthermore, if you can't make your mind up on whether it's an improvement or not, in my experience it's likely that it won't be.

 

I appreciate that you want to fill in the gaps in the megapack, and I'm grateful for that, but also understand my point of view - I have anything between 300-500 images every day to check. I have to rely on cutters doing an assessment before doing a cut that it's going to be an improvement. You've been doing this for a while now, so I would hope you've gained a bit of an understanding of what is and what won't be an improvement 🙂

 

When you upload images which aren't improvement, nobody gains anything. You've wasted your time cutting it because it's not an improvement and I've wasted my time checking it for the same reason.

 

P.S. If you're replying to a post, it helps if you quote the poster or @ him, otherwise your post might well get missed, given how quick the forum moves 😉

 

@mons I understand what you are saying, I will keep in mind the advice you give me and I hope to improve my own judgement when choosing certain cuts. 

#671996 Cristian Bordacahar
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Hi Mons, I understand what you are saying but sometimes when I can't distinguish well the quality of the image compared to previous cuts in such a clear way I prefer to upload it and let you or a moderator judge who already know much more about cuts in general.

I'm trying to do it as little as possible and judge from before but with these (Melgar) I had many doubts because some images were well defined and others not so much, but still some were better than the previous one or even had none and our idea as a South American community is to complete as much as possible with the rather precarious resources of photos that there are (who knows why) the facepack without considering Brazil and Argentina which are the most top and less forgotten leagues.

I also apologize if I uploaded several faces yesterday, but I got motivated and then I forget to upload them jajaja.

Many greetings and any correction or comment I am attentive to what they say, that one is always in learning above all.

#665995 Matías Silva
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By mons 05 December 2021 - 17:06 PM UTC 

It's always nice to have a more recent image, but if the source chosen for the cut isn't the best, then it's not worth the time and effort to cut it. The current cut is only a year and a half old, so it's not like he's changed a lot since it was done anyway.

 

Yes, I understand what you are saying Mons

I hate Chile and the resources of photos of football jajaja :'(.
Many greetings and thanks as always Mons

#665988 Matías Silva
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By mons 05 December 2021 - 16:54 PM UTC 

The strange lighting on this image means it's not better than the current cut-out @woken_sali 

 

I know, but it is the best current photo that exists and I really feel that it is quite a difference in the face over the years.
But I totally understand what you are saying Mons

#648563 Fred Gayoso
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By mons 05 September 2021 - 14:47 PM UTC 

The nose is quite similar, but the beard does make him look quite a bit different, true 😉

 

Ah, I see where Chilito comes from 🙂 One thing, if you release two packs in quick succession, give them a different name so that I'm sure not to think of them as just one and download just one of them and not both by mistake 😉

 

It does change a lot the features of a person with or without a beard, but I don't usually confuse people because I don't make cuts when I'm not sure if it's that person or not because I don't know how to recognise faces, so I usually avoid making cuts when the person's name doesn't appear somewhere on the screen.

 

Okidoki Mons, I will keep this in mind for future packs and not complicate your work.

 

#648561 Fred Gayoso
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By mons 05 September 2021 - 13:20 PM UTC 

@woken_sali, are these the same person? 

 

P.S. What does Chilito mean, out of curiosity, and why do you name every pack like that? 🙂

 

 

Although it's hard to believe, they are the same person, amazing what a beard can do, isn't it?
Jajaja, Chilito is the name of the country Chile, but with a diminutive, which in Spanish is either to refer to something small or also to refer to something or someone with affection. At least I use it a lot and talk about "ito" or "ita".


Pd: if you don't understand something tell me, I'll answer you using a translator, I prefer that because I don't speak English very well.

Greetings

#631298 Joaquín García
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By mons 18 April 2021 - 09:19 AM UTC 

@woken_sali, please be a bit more selective when uploading images. The current cut-out is recent and of a better quality than the cut you've just uploaded, which is not as sharp and seems to have been upsized from a smaller source. The last 2 packs have the same issue for some cuts in fact. Don't just get the sources and cut them, check beforehand if they will actually improve the current cut. Newer does not automatically mean better 😉

 

When a person has a recent and high-quality cut, there is no need to make a new cut of them again soon afterwards unless he's changed his appearance substantially (which is not the case here), because the eventual cut will be practically similar in look, and in this case inferior in quality. It won't be added to the megapack, so it's not worth the time to cut.

 

We've been through this a few times already, so do please keep it in mind for future packs 👍

 

Hi Mons, I wanted to renew a bit what I had done and with what you have shown me, I took the cuts from exactly the same source as the current ones (i.e. the official website of Audax Italiano) especially because in some people the aspect changes a lot from one year to another and I disagree in some cases like this one, but you decide, that's why I upload them because in the end the experience of this is yours. Besides I quickly identified that they were the ones I made and sent you some time ago and I know the difference in quality that was behind the handling of some tools.

#628715 Eduard Bello
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By mons 05 April 2021 - 08:59 AM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, there are no hair details whatsoever in this cut and the hair appears to have been cut with the eraser tool. Either the source image wasn't very good or the cutting wasn't done properly, either of which means it's not an improvement…

 

Nuevamente te escribiré en español, estoy un poco corto de tiempo para traducir y todo lo que hago habitualmente al mandarles un mensaje, pero es la imagen la rara, onda el pelo parece muy mal cortado y en verdad yo simplemente use remove.bg, es la imágen original del club que tiene claramente una edición anterior, no había visto las que ya existían y si están mucho mejor y luce mejor su afro espectacular Eduard jaja, saludoss

#628713 Augusto Batalla
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By mons 05 April 2021 - 09:03 AM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, the source you chose was pre-cut and had no hair details at all. Better sources are available, including this one, with a simple Google Image search. 

 

We're not just looking for cuts, but for quality cuts as much as possible. The better the source, the better the final cut will be, so please do take the time to search for the best possible source rather than just cutting the first one you find.

 

Voy a escribir en español esta vez porque no tengo ganas de traducirlo jaja, pero el problema es que estaba intentando sacar las imágenes oficiales de los clubes y pues las del equipo de Batalla (O'Higgins) son de muy baja calidad, por lo que decantaré de buscar mejores fuentes con ello. Esta imagen la subí para saber que opinabas de la calidad y todo, saludos Mons

#626094 Cristián Contador
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By mons 26 March 2021 - 15:55 PM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, if a source image isn't good enough, it should be cut in 180x180. A good quality 180x cut is better than a poor quality 250x cut. Besides, the edges and hair details for this cut are all over the place. You're still learning - just use remove.bg and don't try to do something else as it'll just provide these kind of inferior cuts 👍

 

hi Mons, this cut went past the old ones I had done and I forgot to fix it with remove, I swore I had done it, sorry for some of the fails I've made jajaja :c

#626090 Sergio Vargas
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By mons 26 March 2021 - 15:53 PM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, these cuts both have very uneven edges and artefacts around the head and they simply aren't what we're aiming for.

 

As I've told you a few times already, I'd much rather you produced a smaller amount of better cuts than a barrage of poorer cuts. It's not a question of a source being poor, either. If you have some difficulties getting a particular source, it's best that you request it and let us deal with it instead of producing this kind of work. I know you're still starting out, but it's best to perfect your technique and make sure your cuts are as good as they can be, rather than bombard us with a lot of cuts, some of which need more work anyway.

 

Can we have the source for this?

 

hi mons, look honestly I don't have the original source of this cut, it's part of the cuts I made some time ago and I tried to improve it a bit, but with what I had already made it was hard for me.
If you excuse the amount of images that I uploaded, I've done them in a couple of days and I forgot to upload them, the mental chaos that the university leaves me affects my order jaja

Pd: if I find the image I will upload it

 

#625259 Fabrizio Correa
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By mons 22 March 2021 - 08:21 AM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, it's crucial that, if you're using remove.bg, you crop the source image before utilizing the tool. Otherwise, it'll be downscaled and the final cut will not be as sharp as the original source image, as can be clearly seen with the previous cut. When good sources are available, we want them to be used to their full potential as much as possible, after all 😉

 

Hello Mons, regarding this cut I had not found a high quality photo, in fact the one I worked on was already without background, however now searching more exhaustively I found the original source and of better quality. I also hadn't noticed that someone had already uploaded this one, there are times that I've been working with what I've reviewed until a certain date, and when I've uploaded the images I haven't checked if someone in that time will have uploaded a cut or reference image (at this moment of my university life I can't give myself that time as I would like :c).
Regards

#622866 Luis Miranda
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By mons 07 March 2021 - 11:31 AM UTC 

Packs have a limit of 50 images. But if you have such a large group of images, maybe it's better if you put them on mediafire or mega or somewhere like that and send them to me via private message to save yourself some time.

 

It's true that South American countries have a lot of gaps which could be filled and we would welcome anybody like you from that region who can add to the megapack and improve on the current images. But at the same time it's important that cutters aim to provide the best possible quality of cuts, so do keep that in mind. What technique are you using for your cuts? remove.bg and Photoshop/photopea.com provide the best possible cuts - have a look at my cut for this player, which took me two minutes with those tools, and see the difference in hair details 😉

 

We aim for all cuts to have a collar, because it has been a megapack requirement for a number of years and so that the megapack has a standard look as much as possible, so please make it a habit to use that technique 🙂

 

Make sure to read this thread and watch the videos. Even if you don't understand what I'm saying, the key strokes displayed in text form should help you understand what to do 🙂 Happy to help you further if you need me to 👍

 

Thanks for the answer Mons, I will check everything now.

I can send you the link to my beta if you want, it has a couple of faces that are from the page because they are really updated and others that are of a low quality, both because I was just starting and others that the photos were of poor quality.

I make the cuts in Photoshop simply with the eraser tool, I like it because I have a little more control to do it especially because in South America the quality of the presentation photos of the players are not the best, they don't have a smooth background to erase (they usually have a very bad design linked to the club), which complicates the editing, as well as many times they don't have and I have taken photos of other game context, interviews, even from social networks of the players haha, but I don't know if there is a way to erase in Photoshop and make it a little smoother as you had told me about the cuts.

Honestly, I hadn't noticed about the necks now where you said it I started to notice it, I will try to incorporate it from now on because most of them I think I did before I didn't incorporate that much, I cared more about the face being well placed in the frame.

I leave attached the link for you to check if something is useful or not, my idea is to improve the quality little by little.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sjtiWehw3-e1Jo7y0BGHqgWqQiRH2a_w/view?usp=drivesdk

I'll check the videos you sent me in a while and if I have any doubt I'll tell you (I'm on my cell phone right now and I can't see them).

 

Regards

 

Pd: I wanted to send you a private message, but the site won't let me do it

#622726 Luis Miranda
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By mons 06 March 2021 - 22:28 PM UTC 

@Cristóbal Salazar Franchini, when you're uploading a lot of cuts at one go, please do so as a pack instead of individually. If they're saved on your PC as the person's UID, the forum will then associate them to the right person automatically, and it'll save you the time of uploading every single one of them individually. It would also save me the time of having to download them all individually too. It's a win-win situation 👍

 

Like this: 

 

Also, I think you should use remove.bg and photopea.com to do your cuts, because a lot of them have snow and edges which are not smooth. Watch this to see how easy it is to do it and provide excellent cuts:

 

 

Also, please keep in mind what I told you this morning about collars.

 

Hello, I understand Mons

I apologize from here a little bit for my English, since I don't have a good command of the language. I'm from Chile and I still don't learn English well (which I really should for this globalized world).

I had a doubt about uploading packs, because I have a lot of faces to upload and I was wondering if I could upload big packs of almost 500 faces.

For example, I have been working for a while on a facepack of Chile as complete as possible and updated (I think I have about 2500 faces), and I wanted to share my work because it is quite outdated here and I would love to contribute to this beautiful community that is Football Manager.

I will try to apply the advice you gave me to see if I can continue contributing faces in South America, especially those that are not usually updated much like in Bolivia or Venezuela, etc.

Regarding the collars, I don't quite understand the idea, is it necessary to do it this way?

I am attentive to your answer because I am happy to be able to contribute in the best possible way, I hope you are well and greetings.