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#361414 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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As everyone's said before whose got a bit of common, Mourinho is finished as a top level manager.


C'mon Jorge don't leave us hanging. Common what?
#361408 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Rubbish subs and rubbish finishing costs us yet again.

Please please please get Fellaini out of this club. Fucking useless.


Add 'spineless bunch of cunts' and that sums it up really.
#359075 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Mariner is an absolute shite house of a ref.
#358152 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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There were really significant swings in the poorer voters though iirc 20%-30%. Richer people were already the natural base for Republicans - and I think there were very slight swings to Clinton in those demos.

Also obviously the poorer people will be disproportionately Black/Latino who generally voted Clinton.


The last sentence is true, but I believe they were much more likely to vote for Obama than they were for Clinton which could well skew swing data.

The interesting question here though is how unusual those swings are. All these tables have democrats first.

For references sake here is Obama's numbers from 2008.

Under $15,000 73 25 2 6
$15,000–30,000 60 37 3 12
$30,000–50,000 55 43 2 19
$50,000–75,000 48 49 3 21
$75,000–100,000 51 48 1 15
$100,000–150,000 48 51 1 14
$150,000–200,000 48 50 1 6
Over $200,000 52 46 2 6

and 2008

Under $30,000 63 35 2 20
$30,000–49,999 57 42 1 21
$50,000–99,999 46 52 2 31
$100,000–199,999 44 54 2 21
$200,000–249,999 47 52 1 3
Over $250,000 42 55 3 4

even compared to Bush's 2000 numbers theres not a massive amount of difference to his income vote breakdown to Trump's.


<$15,000
58
38
1
4
$15,000-29,999
54
42
1
3
$30-49,999
49
48
1
2
$50-74,999
46
51
1
2
$75-99,999
46
52
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2
$100,000 & over
43
55
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3

Even going back to Clinton in 92 there's not a huge amount to suggest that Trump did anything unusual:

11 Under $15,000 58 23 19 59 28 11
23 $15,000–29,999 45 35 20 53 36 9
27 $30,000–49,999 41 38 21 48 40 10
39 Over $50,000 39 44 17 44 48 7
18 Over $75,000 36 48 16 41 51 7
9 Over $100,000 — — — 38 54 6

Now all of these graphs subdivide the data in a way the original didn't, but I think its reasonably clear that the huge swing is more about Obama getting people out to vote in ways Clinton couldn't and didn't than it is about Trump. And that there is always a swing against the ruling party towards the other in the poorest of society.
#358107 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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I think Hillary Clinton may just be a really terrible politician. Like all of her campaigning seems to be done by Celebrities - and the complete wrong ones. Like did people really think Beyonce, Lady Gaga and Lena Dunham would convince anyone other than a committed Clinton voter?

Trump probably won because he actually offered a solution to the working classes. He flipped the Rust Belt because he actually gave people a reason to vote. Does Clinton actually offer any reason for a poor person to vote for Clinton? - (aside from to stop Trump)


Well apparently more poor and working class people voted for her than him so maybe?



I don't actually know though. Her entire campaign seemed to be 'I'm not as shit as him' which is true but obviously uninspiring.
#358050 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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They didn't offend me. I'm not American so not actually involved in any of the voting process.

I was just saying I can see how Trump won.

Thats fine. I was offering it up as a criticism of that line of thinking, but not necessarily a criticism of you.

I just doesn't really stack up with reality though. Trump won because he won the states he needed to. He's set to lose the popular vote (bearing in mind all votes haven't been counted yet) by abut 3 million votes and his vote share is roughly in line with previous Republican candidates; the result is a long, long way from a decisive rejection of the Democratic party or Clinton or an embrace of Trump's rhetoric but, more simply, a Republican candidate performing roughly as expected in the US system.

Whilst it is obviously upsetting to see a man who has said and done what he has done being voted into the White House and he did pick up the protest vote, but as a representative of the party not in power he's bound to pick up the protest vote regardless of what he says, the idea that the actual results of the election show that Trump galvanised his supporters doesn't really stack up.

And case in point here's a tweet showing ad campaigns in two swing states Trump won. The Clinton campaign got complacent and spent its money on stupid places they weren't going to win leaving Trump free to chip away at states they should have been targeting.




For all the talk about 'new' politics Trump won it for some very old reasons.
#358002 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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A lesson every liberal need learn. The labelling of every Trump and Brexit supporter as stupid/racist/deplorable by the liberal supporters of Clinton made sure she sank her own ship and completely missed what was going on.


Maybe they shouldn't vote for someone thats all of those things then?

On the subject, its a bit hypocritical to claim the high ground about how 'liberals' made you do X Y and Z because they offended you and then attempt to disparage 'liberals' as a collective and use it as a dirty word.

Not exactly particularly conciliatory.
#356623 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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We've been really, really poor today but scored a long range screamer and got a couple of quick ones when their heads dropped. Created nothing really.

Wouldn't be amazed if we contrived to throw it away, the scoreline massively flatters us.
#356589 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Jesus fucking christ that team.
#355789 2016/17 Europa League
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What's the general United fans view on Mourinho, Sam/Ninja? Prepared to give him time or concerned it's just not going to work out?


There's not really a 'general' view I can give you. When we start losing games everything gets burnt and people lose objectivity.

I think people (and I include myself in this although I did whinge about our attacking options a lot last years) are realising that the squad is worse than we thought. Huge amounts of money have been squandered on players who either technically or mentally aren't up to playing for United.

Although I think Mourinho identified the problem areas and bought a better calibre of player and he's saying and doing the right things but the problem with United since Ferguson retired has been one step forward and two, maybe three, back.

As for time, he'll get sacked if he doesn't get CL football. Maybe this season as a grace period.
#355730 2016/17 Europa League
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I don't know why I don't just learn my lesson. If we play a team containing all of Rojo, Darmian, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Rooney and Rashford (as a winger) we're not going to play well.

Fuck me, its almost impressive how much we've spent accumulating shite over the years.
#354855 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Seems weird to say it given how good a career Ibra has had but i actually think United need a new striker, just makes them too one dimensional with Ibra and they just seem to lump the ball into the box and hope he does something with it.


I don't think theres need for any elaborate theories on plans with Zlatan yet. He looks fit and his link up and hold up play (apart from the first 45 minutes against City mid-week) have been excellent, his understanding with Pogba and particularly Mata has been good and getting better all the time and I do think he's been a big reason why we suddenly look more fluid going forward.

He's just going through a patch at the minute where he can't hit a cows arse with a banjo, but its weird, he'll miss the ball two yards out in front of goal into an open net but then somehow manages to twist and contort himself to absolutely rocket the ball goal wards only for Heaton to pull off an absolutely unbelievable save.

So I dunno, I'm inclined to think that he's just going through a spell of being a bit unlucky in front of goal and things just aren't working for him.
#354806 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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granted Tom Heaton has been absolutely brilliant... but Ibra has had a 'mare in front of goal today


Pretty much all season truth be told. If he'd taken his chances we'd be at the very least about 7 points better off. Possibly more. No wonder Sweden are shit.

Fuck me, its tempting to say 'ah well we were unlucky and it was just one of those days' but when two people you're paying a combined half a million to every week can't hit the target from two yards out you don't deserve shit.
#354240 2016/17 EFL Cup (League Cup!)
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City are actually worse on the ball under Pep..


Pep's ode to Van Gaal tonight. More of the ball, but no incision, no intent, no pace, no shots on target.

In fairness I never thought Pep's job would be difficult here because City couldn't play good football, on the contrary, they probably played the best stuff in the league when they could be arsed but to drill into his side a winning mentality and consistency. I'm not sure he's shown anything so far to suggest that he can do that yet, but its a process to borrow a Van Gaal-ism and he was never going to be able to do that over night.
#354210 2016/17 EFL Cup (League Cup!)
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Honestly at this point the quickest fix for this team is dropping Zlatan and Pogba.
#354192 2016/17 EFL Cup (League Cup!)
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Extremely strange isn't it.

Is he injured or Mourinho just literally not even including him in squads now?


Mourinho said he wasn't injured last week.

It was always a ridiculously risky transfer and one we should have avoided. It took him 3 seasons to settle in at Dortmund and I saw more shite performances from him in those games than I think I saw from any other supposedly 'good' player in my life (even Rooney) in that time. When he was bad he was really bad.

I suppose you have to say its early and you should give him time, but I said when we first linked to him I'd like to see us sign a better calibre of player and I was worried abut his mentality and how he would cope, so I'm not surprised to see him struggling.
#354187 2016/17 EFL Cup (League Cup!)
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Looks like Mourinho doesn't fancy Mkhi either, fuck knows why we signed him.
#353518 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Oh and apparently Bailly has a knee ligament injury, so thats our only defender actually capable of fucking defending out for 37 years then.
#353488 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Chelsea have done fucking nothing and are 4-0 up ffs. I don't think I've ever seen us defend worse than this.

And christ, I've been a fan of his, but fuck me if Smalling wasn't at fault in someway for all of them.
#353462 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I have no idea what Chris Smalling thinks he's doing today, but if the answer is 'playing football' then god help us.
#353443 The Lower League Thread
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Nearly - scored in only one of their last 7 games, which was their win over Burton on Tuesday. Drew blanks in the other 6.


Ah, didn't realise they played mid-week. Heard it on the radio during the 0-0 draw of theirs last weekend.

I can sympathise; must be a lot like watching us last season.
#353440 The Lower League Thread
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I'd be concerned if we weren't getting results, but for now we're doing well enough. To be expected, maybe, and it helps when teams are as unambitious as Ipswich sounded, but given I was genuinely expecting the worst after that opening duo, I'm content for now.

Seeing as they've just beaten Norwich and Huddersfield, I'm intrigued to see how we'll do v Preston next.


Is it something like 7 games in a row now they haven't scored? They got good money for Daryl Murphy given his age but replacing him with Leon Best hardly seems like the best business
#352672 2016/17 Europa League
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Fenerbahce taking pity on us after the first 25 minutes and are just beating themselves for us.
#352283 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Yeah but you clearly came to frustrate and draw / nick a goal somehow, rather than get a win. The few times you went forwards, Rashford was causing Milner all sorts of problems, but most of the game him and 8 others were on the edge of your area. Herrera was good yeah, but our lack of quality didn't make it as hard for him as it could have been.

Oh bore off. Clearly if he set up to play he would have got spanked, but it's not exactly 'the Manchester United' way? Plus obviously people will get frustrated to see a team sit back so deep to just frustrate us and get a point rather than show ambition and go for a win. Hey we even got beat by Burnley so we're not exactly unbeatable.

But yeah, kudos to Mourinho for coming here and getting a point with about all those big summer signings.. Even LVG beat us


Yet despite all that I would argue that the best chance of the game fell to Ibra who made a catastrophic pigs ear of it and who arguably should have scored but, at the very least, should have hit the target. For all your supposed attacking intent the sum total of your efforts were two decent saves from De Gea from little more than half chances.

Seems for all the laughing at Van Gaal last season Liverpool fans are relying on the Van Gaal definition of attacking. We were as content to allow you to have lots of the ball in non-dangerous areas as you were to have the ball there, but there was little to suggest you tried to force the issue. You dominated possession, sure, but I don't think there was anything to suggest you were anymore willing to risk losing to force the issue than we were. We had lots of those games last season as teams realised that we'd pick them off if they opened up but we couldn't break them down when they sat deeper, its a perfectly valid tactic and one that cost us a lot of points over the season. Only being able to beat teams that play into your hands would suggest you're just not as good a side as people would have you believe.
#351932 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Masterclass? Sheer numbers if anything. 9-1 formation, even Rashford, who was skinning James Milner every time was getting wasted by sitting in his own box most of the game.

On the other hand, we were clearly more afraid to lose it than risk winning it, if there wasn't a safe option 9/10 then they would go backwards. Coupled with the fact when we did go forward a bit everyone's final touch / pass was diabolical it created a very shit game. But I guess we learned from when Mourinho parked the bus with Chelsea then beat us 2-0, could have easily lost that game on the counter if we tried to force it.


Not really I thought they showed at half time how well we were setting up and what we were doing to counter specific threats (although I would argue that Ander Herrera's best game in a United shirt was probably a far more important factor than anything shape wise he was everywhere).

But yeah, in general I do just think it was a general lack of quality rather than anything else that saw this game finish 0-0. If Pogba and Ibra had performed anything like they're capable of we'd have looked a lot less toothless going forward.

In general I'm reasonably encouraged by the last few weeks though, we put 4 past Leicester, should have put about 6 against Stoke and actually turned up and executed a game plan in a big game. The points might not necessarily reflect it but I think we've demonstrably improved our performances since the start of the season. Hopefully once Mkhyitaran comes in we'll go up a gear again, but I'm not holding my breath.
#351746 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Baffles me how United can spunk about £600m on players yet still play like absolute shite for 3 years running


Baffles me how we can spunk £600m and still play Ashley fucking Young.

#349152 The England National Team
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Probably about to be proven wrong but reckon its nonsense.

Not that I don't doubt that all those are probably dodgy, but the Telegraph's exposed a series of small frys since Fat Sam and I don't think they have much on anyone else.
#349102 2016/17 Europa League
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He could save a child from a burning building and you lot would still find something wrong with it


Did you actually see how shit it was though?

Not that I don't agree with your general point but, yeah, that was really shit.
#348760 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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Corbyn's insane opinions on foreign policy will still be just as cancerous in a few years as they are today. A man who thinks NATO is responsible for the war in Ukraine and wants the UK to leave the organisation, wants to give Argentina joint-control of the Falklands, wants to scrap Trident, opposes bombing ISIS and has cosy relations with Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah is a man who scares away the centrist vote all by himself. In a political climate where security is as important to voters as it is now, the Tories can easily undermine any well-received Labour proposal by bringing up foreign policy.


See this is the problem with Corbyn. Although I don't agree with him on much of foreign policy he actually has a relatively nuanced outlook to it which often times boils down to 'Lets not make the same mistakes we always make and lets not make the problem worse' which gets completely misrepresented by a hawkish and right wing media.

Anyway, Corbyn's biggest problem for me has always been the constant undermining of his position by Labour MP's. If they stopped telling everybody that would listen that he's 'unelectable' then the electorate as a whole might not have bought into the idea so readily.

Might not be enough to win an election, but if the biggest problem with Corbyn is electability and competence then the PLP shouldn't have put up a more incompetent and unelectable candidate in Smith.
#348588 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Based on a rule that probably didn't exist at the time and certainly didn't apply for non-league footballers.

As horrible as Gray's comments were the fact that he's being punished for it years later is a joke, and that a club that wasn't even employing him at the time is made to suffer for it is outright farcical.


I'm absolutely certain that Gray's comments would have got him done under a general 'bringing the game into disrepute' rule even if social media wasn't specifically regulated. And well, his comments were disgraceful so he deserves it.