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Slashman X
So the plan is that Leagues 1 and 2 can go fuck themselves.
Also:
Fuck foreigners entirely.
England's football "pyramid" is probably the best in the world, now they want to completely fuck with it. If it ain't broke...
The Platypus
Ninja
I actually think these are all sensible suggestions and if well implemented will improve the standard of football thoroughout the leagues.
The clear plan from the FA is to produce more England qualified players playing throughout the league system.
Very postive to see the FA trying to take an active lead in achieving this and very disappointing to see sensationalist nonsense to shoot it down. There's clearly a debate to be had about whether the B team league is the best course of action, but people are yet to argue with anything other than emotional sensationalism against it.
Poe
Ninja
I don't understand why that's the argument people are going for. The cream should inevitably rise to the top, otherwise it wouldn't be the top. The benefits for the smaller clubs if the system works is being left with a better standard of chaff after the wheat has moved on.
Footygamer
As for development, I think we need to realise it needs to start at lower levels, we have a massive lack of trained coaches compared to the more successful nations:
That will take a decade or more to fix, to train these people up and then to wait for the players they've been working with to come through, it won't happen overnight.
As for reducing the number of home-grown players, that is one possibility. But again, it won't instantly make the talent appear, in the short term it will just mean our club sides are weaker.
Slashman X
Why would smaller clubs have to put up with travelling to Stoke's B team mid-week?
Wenger already said himself that the problem with England's youth is that it's too focused on competition rather than developing skills. This will only make that even worse.
They've essentially just shit on lower league teams "for the greater good" (IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU HATE YOUR COUNTRY!!!). And I'd go along with saying that England have produced enough quality players and are doing alright for themselves internationally so no it isn't really broke. Spain have like 5 million times the amount of coaches England has, why not focus on that rather than only having it as a side point?
This + EPPP is just going to make it even easier for "big" clubs to take every single talent in the country and leave lower league clubs with pure scraps
Poe
They should rise to the top once they have proven themselves, not beforehand.
The fact a UEFA A License costs about 2 grand more in England than it does in Spain and Germany speaks volumes, the FA are too greedy to really help the smaller clubs. I fail to see how implementing teams such as Man Utd B and Chelsea B and slotting them in alongside other teams is going to help anything at all? It'll help the big clubs develop players, sure - but it's pointless trying to disguise it as a fix for grassroots football - as it won't help it at all.
Ninja
Also no the point of quotas is clearly in line with the rest of it improving the quality of youth being produced AND making sure they get a chance to develop and showcase their talent.
Anyway it's worth remembering that this is just a commissions findings into how to improve the game this is not what will necessarily happen, and will probably be ignored, and then people will complain were still shit in 10 years still and someone should do something.
Edit:@slash rather than Poe
Poe
Slashman X
Yes, I said it was treated as secondary, and that is true, otherwise a radical shake up of the entire league structure would be a last resort
How does only playing against English players increase the quality of those English players and help them at all in international tournaments?
I'm willing to bet that Rodwell is a lot better off playing with and beside Yaya day in and day out than playing with Mark Noble or Scott Parker.
Instead of copying the worst parts of foreign leagues (B Teams), why not copy the other parts like get players to focus on their development when they're younger rather than focus on winning pointless games.
EDIT: They're not even doing anything about coaching right now, they just highlighted it as a problem
VP.
bluemoon.
Listening to 5Live last night, they were saying they're releasing a second report at a later date about youth coaching and stuff like that.
Slashman X
Vercoe
Ninja
All you're doing is taking things out of isolation and saying 'how will X help'
Its very obvious how a quota will help when considered as part of the entire system.
Honestly, I think you know the answer to every question you're asking, but you're deliberately framing them as if it a massive outrage.
Yes, but thats not the point. Very clearly Greg Dyke said they want the Yaya Toures, Sergio Aguero's, Luis Suarez's etc.. of this world playing in the premier league, what they don't want is 'mediocre' non-EU players. 40% of whom, according to the report, coming in to the Premier League do not play PL football the season after. There's clearly no benefit to those players being here and are denying players an opportunity for the sake of a quick fix.
Additionally, everyone knows about the competitive football line but its not relevant. No one has said that 18-21 year olds shouldn't be playing competitive football, and its frankly bizarre to see it suggested here, what they have said is that English youth development emphasises playing to win at too young an age (basically 11 up), that's also something that the FA has noted and plans to address/has addressed.
And for the second time, this is a commission tasked with finding ways to improve the England football team. That is all they have been asked to do, and the conclusion that if you give the best academies, who presumably have the best coaches and facilities, the best opportunity to develop the best players you're more likely, all things considered, to produce the best players.
Why that is controversial in football I don't know, if a government commission came back with the results 'brightest pupils at the best schools perform best in exams' you'd get a string of comments on what a waste of money this common sense finding was.
And they're not doing anything about anything now, this is a list of suggestions. The fact they're suggesting that coaching is not an acceptable level holds the same weight as suggesting that a B League team would help development.
Slashman X
That'll be hard with a limit of only 2 non-EU players allowed in the squads.
I'm not arsed talking about the rest of your point cos we're both too stubborn to even think about changing our opinions on this
Ninja
Yeah, I'm not saying that the 2 limit is necessarily a great idea, just that I agree with the reasoning behind it and a properly implemented version of the idea would be beneficial.
VP.
Improve coaching > improve grassroots > better young players > limit number of foreign players > higher quality English players coming though > no need for mediocre foreigners > fuck B teams
Slashman X
It would lead to the UAE becoming part of the EU and annexing Brazil and Argentina. Guarantee it
Eric Portapotty
The cream should rise to the top, but if it doesn't rise to the very top (i.e. actually playing regularly for top clubs) there's no real point.
Franck
RhylFCKiko
Sam
This really.
There is no need to touch the football pyramid.
One Night In Grimsby
Link to petition against B team league.
Absolutely ridiculous idea.
#notoleague3
bmg033
Already signed it
As these B teams can't get higher than League 1, what would happen if the top 6 teams in League 1 were all B teams? Would there be no promotions, or would the teams that finished 7th and 8th be automatically promoted with 9th-12th in play offs? Both of those scenarios are ridiculous and are one of the many reasons I am against this load of shit.
Telegram Sam
If I remember correctly the FA got some stuck when the initial panel was released because it was all-white so they asked Rio along as the token black dude. No idea about Mills though.
bluemoon.
Slashman X
Sam