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Poe
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He's not the best defensively but he's far from poor as Shola says.

He'd definitely do well at Arsenal and he's excellent going forward. He's not allowed to do that here due to Pardew

He'll be a good signing I think, unsure whether he's worth £12m though.
Telegram Sam
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He's not the best defensively but he's far from poor as Shola says.

He'd definitely do well at Arsenal and he's excellent going forward. He's not allowed to do that here due to Pardew

He'll be a good signing I think, unsure whether he's worth £12m though.

Wenger is too far the other way - he had Gibbs and Sagna always pushing forward last season even when we needed to consolidate or sit deeper. For me the key reason we lost 5-1 and 6-0 to Liverpool and Chelsea was because our full-backs just kept bombing on and leaving stupid amounts of space behind.

Anyway, Debuchy has removed Newcastle from his Twitter bio. I'm guessing he's gone.
Ninja
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What was the name of that Brazilian chap who thought he was a winger that you signed from a Turkish club? He was good fun, but his name slips me.
Telegram Sam
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What was the name of that Brazilian chap who thought he was a winger that you signed from a Turkish club? He was good fun, but his name slips me.

Andre Santos?

Signed in the aftermath of the 8-2. Those truly were the dark days.
Ninja
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Andre Santos?

Signed in the aftermath of the 8-2. Those truly were the dark days.


Yeah thats the one, shoulda kept him and rolled him out for comedy purposes now and again. Same with Eboue actually.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/806953/eboue-o.gif
Shola
16 years ago
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Debuchy will probably either step up and defend better at Arsenal. Or will be seen as a joke by January. Could go either way imo.

Twitter bio Howay.
Number 1
16 years ago
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I thought Debuchy didn't have anything to do with NUFC in his Twitter bio anyway.
Poe
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Thought the accepted bid for Lacazette was too good to be true.

Turns out he wants CL football so won't be joining.

Were gonna end up with Cisse, Perez and Armstrong as our senior strikers aren't we
Number 1
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At this rate, probably. Not helpful that Cisse is out until December, or is not as good as he was 2 years back.

Lyon have said Grenier is available for £8million... even with de Jong, a reorganisation means that might work.
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Shola
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The other clubs linked with Lacazette are Liverpool and Everton, so maybe not all doom and gloom. Liverpool seem to be linked with other guys more heavily, so I'd presume Sanchez, Rodrigo, Markovic, Lallana etc. are the priorities.

Everton obviously can't offer CL football either. And Newcastle should have a decent chance of beating Everton.

Lasogga to Hamburg completed as well.
Poe
17 years ago
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Why would anyone move to Newcastle over Everton?
Slashman X
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Cos they can get a decade-long contract
Shola
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Better contract?
Splash The Cash On Matt Le Tiss
13 years ago
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Everton obviously can't offer CL football either.


But they can offer Europa League football, which is a pull.
Poe
17 years ago
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Everton will offer more money than Newcastle to good players

Our go to move is offering way below market value and pissing players off.
Shola
16 years ago
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What are you basing that on? The vast majority of players sign almost immediately.

Debuchy, Anita, Cabaye, MYM, Marveaux, Sissoko, Gouffran, Cisse, De Jong all signed extremely quick. Cabella is apparently very happy with terms. Pieters was desperate to sign.

Lasogga was about the only time, I've heard a player was upset with contract terms. And obviously with Remy, QPR presumably paid a lot more, but Newcastle were still able to get him on loan.

'Beat' Everton to Demba Ba as well.Link

But the deal was ­derailed by Ba’s financial demands, including his insistence that a £5million buy-out clause was inserted into his contract.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-striker-demba-ba-could-1326009#ixzz36X77kaz9
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Poe
17 years ago
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Gomis last summer was upset with the terms we offered, as was Grenier.

Debuchy didn't sign extremely quick, took us about a year too long.

Everton are just a much more attractive proposition for a player, play good football under a manager who will most likely help them progress or be stifled and played out of position by Pardew?
Shola
16 years ago
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Took ages negotiating with Lille. He himself was very eager. And as far as I'm aware Newcastle we're no where close to offering terms to Grenier.

Lacazette missed out on the WC, as Sissoko and Remy were taken instead of him. Cabaye and Debuchy have also continued to be picked for the International team. Besides he may not want to break his neck playing Martinez' hoofball.
Number 1
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I guess Debuchy depends on where you start the clock - do you start it from when we attempted to pay less than what Lille wanted in summer 2012, or the fact he was effectively signed on the first day of the January transfer window?

As an aside, anyone find this Twitter clue-seeking for him joining Arsenal irritating?
Poe
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Martinez plays great football far superior to Pardews 4-4-2/4-2-3-1. The only time we played good football in the entire time Pardew has been here was for about 5-6 games when he decided to give 4-3-3 a go with our best players on the pitch.

Then he changed that to a 4-4-2.

I'm sure you have some sort of statistic that says otherwise though, however as I tell you pretty much every day football isn't played on paper.

We're just off the back of some of the worst form in the country, whereas Everton still challenging in the top 7.
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Also, Everton have European football for 2014/15, and most the players around seem to want that - something at odds with the board's "Europa League? NO!" policy.

I know de Jong is saying they want top 4 but investment on a large scale, retention of the entire playing squad and telling the manager to actually play his strongest available team would be a start. None of those look like happening.
Shola
16 years ago
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Hah, I agree a lot of stats are meaningless. But I'm going to continue to use the hell out of the long ball stat (Newcastle 2nd lowest, Everton - Soton near the top). I'm just using it in response to extremely boring 'Pardew hoofball tactics' talk.

I doubt Lacazette will care too much about the Europa League tbh.
Shola
16 years ago
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Chronicle today complaining that Newcastle aren't after Rio Ferdinand (And other experienced players)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01783/sol-campbell_1783321b.jpg
Poe
17 years ago
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Long balls don't mean bad football.
Number 1
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Newcastle are almost certainly not interested in Ross McCormack. He's 27 and hit double figures for goals 3 times in his career, playing in the SPL, League 1 and the Championship. No way Newcastle are going to spend £10m on him. Reckon it's all hype from the Leeds owner, they seem to be in quiet meltdown right now, reckon he'll go to Fulham or Norwich or somewhere for about £4m.

Right club but almost a third of what Fulham are actually playing.

Aside from the fact Championship clubs are spending £11million and we aren't, it is a deal that makes little mathematical sense for Fulham, who I don't think have sold any of their big earners yet. Saying that, and hypothetically speaking, would a deal for Bryan Ruiz be beneficial for us or would we just misuse him like Fulham have been since they signed him?
Splash The Cash On Matt Le Tiss
13 years ago
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Newcastle Chronicle reckons Joel Campbell might be a make weight in any Debuchy deal. Daily Mail reckon it will be Carl Jenkinson.

I can't see Campbell being sold or coming to Newcastle. If he goes on loan it will be to a foreign CL club. I think he might actually get games at Arsenal this season though. Jenkinson would be a decent enough player to get in though.
Telegram Sam
15 years ago
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Jenkinson would do well for Newcastle but I really hope we don't sell him. I think he has the potential to be a starter for us in the future. I would be happy to see Joel Campbell go on loan to you guys though.
Shola
16 years ago
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Long balls don't mean bad football.


Fully agree. Total misconception that long balls = defensive = physical = 'graft'

Can't see Joel Campbell or Jenkinson arriving as part of the Debuchy deal. I don't think Newcastle will be interested in loaning young players in who they probably won't be able to buy.
Splash The Cash On Matt Le Tiss
13 years ago
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Can't see Joel Campbell or Jenkinson arriving as part of the Debuchy deal. I don't think Newcastle will be interested in loaning young players in who they probably won't be able to buy.


Jenkinson is rumoured to be a permanent transfer, not a loan. I could see it happening if Jenkinson believes he will get 30+ games a season at Newcastle, rather than 15 and some CL games at Arsenal AND if he believes that regular football is more valuable to his career at this stage.

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