Cut Out Player Faces Megapack
Our Cut-Out Faces Megapack is the biggest collection of Football Manager Player Faces available. All players are available in the default cut-out style. When you download our Cut-Out Faces Megapack, you'll receive over 450,000 player faces to spice up your copy of Football Manager.
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- 2024.07 - Released on 15 Apr 2024
Baja
At first I apologise for delayed answer but I'm not getting any notifications about responses.
Before this,if was simply clear 1 request=1 requested image (alternative one in comment)-1 completed cut and that's it.
Now,we have a list with all bunch images,wich I still can't figure it out what's done,what's not done,what's approved,pending,source,game ready,pack and all many other statuses.Also,you need to include all bunch of filters to get what you want.
For example I've cut your request, (I know I did complete cut and posted it as a response to your request) but it's pretty unclear from this view.
That's what you get if you click on request,but If you open just sumbission list,with all requests,you'll be way too lost,and between request and final cut you have a bunch of images.
Upgrading is good,especially if you work hard as Footy did for this.Amazing job,no doubt.
But at this point forum looks as something completaly different than what we used to know. (at least in my case)
mons
It's there already when the search function at the top of the cut-out submission forum is used.
Typing in 1099 (Milan's UID) here, takes you to this page.
Edit: You spotted it too 🙂
Ernesttico
Yeah, it was probably added this morning and it's a great feature to have back!
mons
mons
Person submission page
The whole submission history of a single person is now in one place, including those images inside pack requests. This allows the community not only to see the image being produced or submitted, but also if it's been requested or cut before or if there is already a pending request for it, for example.
New filtering options
Previously, we had missing, improvement, teampack, facepack for request category and being made, completed, waiting and rejected for request status. Now we have the below:
"source": a request image
"game-ready": an uploaded cut
"In pack": this is the image which is included in the megapack. It may differ from the one uploaded to the forums because of some minor edits I might have made to it afterwards.
"disabled": this image has been rejected by a moderator, probably because it's not considered good enough
"approved": submission has been accepted
"pending": awaiting to be dealt with
"draft": in case a moderator considers a submission (particularly a game ready image)
"deleted": there seems to be an overlap with disabled
In conjunction with the person submission page, the above means that the previous possibility to search for teampacks/mixpacks is no longer possible. You can still make a request for them, and they will also be inserted in each individual person's submission page, you just cannot search for them. Older teampack and mixpack requests can be found on this page, but the option to move to the next page is currently hidden and will be hopefully resolved soon.
tv_capper
I'd rather not have to sit there and scroll though multiple requests if I just have the time/desire to do a single image
MemphisDepay
Baja
Right now there are no limits unfortunately,but I would like to ask you not to make those requests.Reason is simple,it's a new site,still incomplete so it's better to wait until people get used to it and figure out how it works.Also,we should never put a large number of requests,especially if they are from same team.So,you should make teampack request instead.But since we didn't handle yet the thing with teampacks and individual requests you should wait a bit.
Mons,this is one of the most important issue if you ask me...
Baja
You explained all,but I still don't get it.
I wanted to complete one more request and I've done it,but there's no any clear sing that he is done.No notification,no changing status,nothing.Or you/me as moderators doing that.Before all this,it was pretty easy,you make a request,get cut,request closed/completed automatically.Simply...
Also I've done one of my own:
Same goes after someone else done on of mine:
I really hope that all the others will have more luck to handle and understand all these new stuff better than me.Good luck guys,you definitely gonna need it.
Footygamer
Let me know if you think there should be any additions to changes to the available statuses
I also changed it it so that it automatically switched to "In Progress" or "Pending" when someone changes "I'm working on this"
Footygamer
This will:
- Automatically prefill the form with all the details so all you have to do is add the image
- Automatically mark the request as "completed"
- Add text to the submission saying "This is a response to #123456" which you can click on to jump to the submission if it's not obvious
This should hopefully make it alot clearer and easier?
HRiddick
To my understanding the "Pending Review" filter is setup to help the moderators sort what they have and haven't looked at yet, which is fantastic as it makes life easier for them compared to the previous system, but for me this filter should be separated from the experience for users and cutters like myself.
For me the filters should be as below:
SOURCE IMAGES
Completed - Someone has cut the source image
Ready to cut - A source image that has not been cut yet
Rejected - The source image is unsuitable after moderator review
GAME READY
Completed - A completed source image
Rejected - The source image is unsuitable after moderator review
In pack - A completed image that is now included in the Megapack
I see no reason for any pending/yellow filter for an image that has already been cut, as from a user's point of view the image is either cut or not cut.
Alongside these filters, every post would also come accompanied with a separate box label, specifying whether a moderator has reviewed a post or not. This would simply present a binary choice of:
✓ Reviewed
Pending review
This way the moderator review system is separated from the user request system, but not at the expense of one diluting the other. I think the main source of confusion has come from combining the requesting and moderating into one set of filters, where that wasn't the case before. With this system, moderators would easily be able to sort what has and hasn't been reviewed, and users can separately sort what has and hasn't been cut yet. This would also eliminate unneeded filters "Pending review", "Draft" and "Deleted" for the user. I've tried to illustrate how this could look below (the "Moderated by" lines underneath could instead say "Reviewed by" to match the language of the Reviewed box):
A couple of other things to think about:
- A re-introduction of Teampacks/Mixpacks in some way for the reasons well explained by other users above. I totally understand a flaw in the old system was the many images that went ignored by being included in teampack requests, but as I mostly do my work through Teampacks I do miss the ability to upload a teampack and have it automatically posted to the Facepack Release Thread.
- Not sure there are plans to change this already as I know it's been suggested by myself and a few others, but each player's "Submissions" page really should be listed from most recent to oldest, rather than oldest to most recent as it is now.
Ernesttico
I completely agree with HRiddick here. Yesterday I had the chance to talk privately with mons (btw, thanks again for reporting every issue I found) and we both agreed that the filters system can be improved in some way.
1) Personally the key word for this specific section should be "streamline" and that's why I really like HRiddick idea to separate the moderator review system from the user request system: this would help avoid some confusion for us cutters/requesters since some filters would only be visible for mods, and would make some filters like "Pending review" "Draft" and "Deleted" not needed for the user anymore.
I'd also remove the "In-pack" option from the "Status" drop down menu. This label is very useful to have the Megapack history of a player in order, so I'm not asking to delete it completely, but for the cutters and users of this section is not much useful to have a list of in-pack players: if we want to search for that kind of cuts, we could use the Search Cut Outs or the Search FM Database (or even the Megapack History button in every player profile).
2) As HRiddick said we should do something to separate more the Pack requests from the single requests. I know the Packs have a dedicated section, but when one pack is uploaded the whole "Source pending requests" list is flooded with every single image from that pack. In order to don't have too many pages of pending requests, I'd suggest to make these pack images not appear among the "Source pending requests".
@HRiddick, mons told me that once one completed pack is uploaded an automatic post is created in the Facepack Release Thread, as it was before, but I didn't try it myself, so I cannot confirm it.
Also, I believe that in the Pack Submissions page we should have an option to filter completed and pending requests. I just noticed that for the old requests there's no way to distinguish completed packs from packs waiting to be cut: if it cannot be done automatically, I can go through them one by one and give you a list of those old requests that should be changed from "completed" to "pending".
3) I already suggested to change the order in the Submissions page of a player from most recent to oldest, rather than oldest to most recent as it is now... or at least to give us an option to switch between the two. So I agree with you in this case too.
Thanks for all the suggestions, HRiddick, you've explained more clearly some ideas I had in mind. 😉
gianni1970
mons
Thing is, the whole reason why packs are displayed like that is so that those kind of requests are hopefully now taken into consideration as well. As the regulars on the old forum are aware, teampack requests were cut fairly infrequently on the old forum, often despite having some very good and very easy-to-cut sources. At the time of changeover, I think there was something like 9 or 10 pages, each with 30 requests, all of which were pending, which is something like 5,000 sources or so. I always felt it was a shame that so many potential cut-outs were not being done, both in terms of time taken to collect them by the requester (often SSP) and in terms of gaps in the megapack. Besides, a good source request is a good source request, whether it's done individually or as part of a larger group.
In this new way, it is possible for cutters to only take on a couple of sources from a pack if they want to, without necessarily doing the whole pack. And if, as I understand it, your major issue with the current situation is that you only want to do one cut, then what's stopping you from doing so whether it is from an uploaded pack of sources or an individual request?
Moreover, in conjunction with a hopefully-soon-to-come request limit, this places a bit more onus on requesters to exercise judgement as to what they think is the more urgent request. Frankly speaking, we're never going to do all the requests in a timely manner, we just don't have the manpower. In this way, I hope that at least some requesters are incentivised to maybe cut some of their requests themselves and that the request section doesn't become just a dumping ground of sources to be done by somebody at some point, which I'm sure wasn't anybody's intention but which was the eventual outcome. In this manner, I hope that we can have (plucking figures out of thin air for the sake of argument) 35 out of 70 requests done instead of 30 out of 100. This way, the community gets to enjoy more cut-outs and requesters see more of their work being dealt with.
As Baja said, I would prefer if a little bit of restraint is kept for the time being. Everybody wants his request being dealt with, but we don't have an infinite amount of cutters.
There was really no need for all the panic. It's all been sorted out by now, and not too long after you posted as it happened. A bit of patience never hurt anybody. I never said you're stupid and I don't think you are, but you are sometimes a bit overly resistant to change 😉
Now, if you take on a request and upload a game ready cut, then the source is now automatically approved.
If this doesn't work as intended, then by all means tell us what's wrong and what needs to be done, but please be aware that the new system won't just be a shinier version of the old system, and you'll have to adapt a bit too. Just give it a go and try and see the benefits, rather than focusing exclusively on things which may not have been fully optimised yet.
@HRiddick and @Ernesttico, I'm getting to your posts, don't worry 🙂
Ernesttico
Just as an example I'll use this completed request. Do you see the icon with three vertical dots, just beside the tags ("source" or "game ready"😉 of every image? Click on it and from the options that will appear click on "Download". This way, you can download every image you desire from the timeline.
EDIT: Here, a screenshot is better than a thousand words!
mons
Baja
I know we're still working and tryin' to find a solution for teampacks.
Just small notice,I've opened my request list,and now it looks like this for example:
Every random member wich would take a look on something like this would think it's a completed pack,but it's not.
Ernesttico
I think this is an effect of the migration of all the packs from the old site to the new one. Maybe, and I say maybe, if not automatically, this could be addressed manually...and in that case I'd be glad to give mons a hand to sort the pending packs from the completed ones and give them the right tag.
mons
I think we can agree that having the requests from the older forum listed as completed gives the impression they have been cut, which isn't the case. But imagine the size of the pending sources filter if they were all changed thusly...
bartdude
Footygamer
Draft/Deleted
To clear up the "draft" and "deleted"...
When you upload a pack you can upload with names e.g. LionelMessi.jpg and it will then ask you to match up with an ID if it can't do so automatically. During this process your submissions are a "draft". Most people probably haven't encountered that because they in a habit of uploading files named as "ID". But that's what "draft" does. If you upload a pack you can then clean it up before submitting it fully.
"Deleted" is needed separate to rejected in cases of people asking to have their personal data deleted, or I don't know, if someone uploaded porn or something.
In theory these could be removed from the searchable filters, but I didn't really see a harm in having them there.
Special Moderation UI
I think the changes that have been made in the past few days make moderation easier right? This new bit:
Showing latest posts first
I do understand where this is coming from. The point here was to have it feel like every other section of the site, so it just felt like a normal forum topic but with the extra UI for the submissions.
The problem I think is a UI one, in that on the forums you're used to clicking on the date or the icon to go to the last read post, but on the submissions you're clicking on the name of the person which is taking you to the first post.
If you click the comment/submissions count it will take you to the last post you read which is probably what you want (rather than necessarily viewing the very last comment/submission when there may have been new 4/5 replies you haven't read).
I realise now that, that isn't very intuitive and most people probably haven't found it or aren't in a habit of clicking that button.
I'm going to try and improve that over the next few days to be more intuitive and familiar.
If after that everyone is still adamant it should be latest reply first I can look to change the sort ordering
Hopefully that makes sense, i'm not telling you guys you're wrong, I just think your negative experience could be fixed in another way. After all, nobody is having issues reading a forum topic with 30 pages because the title of the topic takes you to page 1, you're all in a habit of going to the last unread post straight away. I think if the link to take you to the last unread post is more intuitive you'll just always use that and they'll be no problem.
Footygamer
You're right this is a bit confusing. Do we want a moderator to have to look at every single cut in order to switch it to a "ready to be cut" status or do we just want all sources to be "ready to cut" before being "Completed"?
Previously I assumed that moderators didn't review every source but only every cut so I just used the word "Pending" so it would work for both
Pending Source = Pending being cut
Pending Game Ready = Pending moderator review
I then changed the word "Pending" to "Pending Review" and this has maybe made it more confusing.
What we could do is rename "Pending Review" to "Pending Cut" and remove "Pending" as an option for game ready images so they're just "Completed" or "Rejected". Then add a seperate way of tracking which completed cuts have been seen by moderators that you guys shouldn't care about.
I may be mistaken but i'm not sure the moderation team want the requirement to approve every single individual source image???
mons
My 2 cents' worth.
Re draft/deleted. I can see the value of having them there from a moderator's perspective. But if a common user isn't ever going to have a need to filter by them, then perhaps they should be kept only as filters for moderators, just in case they're need there.
Re the special moderation UI, I can't grumble about it, apart from the fact that clicking on each option doesn't automatically make a search for that particular filter, but only sets the respective filters accordingly. It's an extra click, so not the end of the world, really.
Re showing latest post first, I think I speak for one and all when I say I didn't realise that clicking that button took you to the latest unread post! It'll be my to-go button from now on. For added visibility, on the old forum the icon for unread comments was slightly different to one in which comments had been read (green background and white text as opposed to white foreground and dark text respectively), and that may be something you could consider adding. It'd give an immediate visual cue of which comments are still unread. Could also be displayed here too for added ease of reference:
I personally still reckon there's very little value added to seeing the older requests/comments first. I would imagine the absolute majority of users (if not all of them) want to see the most recent cut-out and the most recent comments, and that earlier cuts and comments are of secondary consideration. Consider the timeline page in the above screenshot. Hardly anybody will have had reason to enter that page, and so clicking first unread will take pretty much every user to the top of the page anyway, negating the purpose of the most recent unread option. Using Griezmann as a test example, if a user hasn't ever accessed his timeline page, he'll need to scroll down through 32 images (28 cut-outs plus 4 sources) and 2 comments, the majority of which are far from recent and of barely any interest to anybody. I can see the value in having the whole timeline there, but the focus should be on the more recent images of it rather than historical ones, which sorting by most recent first would solve 🙂
This would be perfectly fine for me, but I'd like to see how the user community feels about it. And ideally, I'd prefer not having us moderators needing to approve every single individual source image, there's little value added in that.
Baja
I had to do it here since tag option doesn't work yet...also,it have some connection with your post about "jump to first undread". Maybe we could make that part a bit more visiable as some outline or something like that.
This is what it happened:
https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/1/435315/timeline#submission_1093214
I've put the wrong image for my request.I've put Dusan Brkovic source,instead of Nemanja Subotic .I probably should reject it at first and make new one with correct image.I did add correct image for Nemanja Subotic in comment,but cuter obviously didn't see it,and he cut Dusan Brkovic as completed to Nemanja.
Option with direct links of image was very helpful.Now we are downloading images to desktop,and after that we should upload it.If you have two almost the same images (from one same team,without specific name) you'll have a chance to pick up wrong one,small window in combination with dead eyes after night shift doesn't help 😀
To make it more clear competed one by 12345cieza should be saved as 62001480.
Correct image for Nemanja Subotic wich should be cut as 62094419 is this one.
mons
I didn't get any notification that you quoted me - so that too needs to be fixed @Footygamer, though I imagine it's related to the fact the tagging function doesn't work yet.
From now on, if you find a better source, you should no longer upload it as a comment, but as a source image. That's part of the reason for the new structure of the forum. Comments should now be reserved for text, not images 😉 So upload that as a new source and it'll appear in the submission list, or even better cut it and it'll be done 😉
I agree that the return of the upload from URL function would be a very welcome addition (and I've added it as a feature request), but it's up to the user to make sure they upload the right image after all 😉. All you'd need to do is change the way you save filenames that you save on your desktop, for instance. Previously I'd save them by their UID, but now I can save them with their name and the website automatically finds the right person and assigns it to their submission page 🙂
mons
When you are looking in a Pack Submission page (Screenshot), it would be much easier if you have a button to see the timeline of the respective person. This could be done by expanding the players timeline in the same screen with one button Show/Hide timeline. That's can be used in case of looking to complete an old request in which some of the images can be already done in individual request or even if there is a newer source of this player. Screenshot showing this idea. If this is too complex, then perhaps a simple 'Go to person's timeline' button would suffice.
weeniehutjr
If you click the date next to "submitted by User" it goes to the person's timeline, but I agree it should be a bit more obvious
mons
This is the second time in a few hours that I've asked for a feature, not realizing it's there already :doh:
But I agree, it should be more evident that's what it does, in my defence!
Ernesttico
As always, thanks Footy for discussing with us the upcoming changes and how to improve this section.
Draft/Deleted
As you may have noticed in my recent posts, I always give priority to streamlining the interface as much as possible. I understand these categories have a certain utility, but as a user I'd remove them from searchable filters. Maybe we could leave them visible only to moderators?
Special Moderation UI
The coloured button is a nice solution and the options available are like shortcuts to the main filters we use.
Right now when you click on one of the options (the button itself, Source or Game ready) it only sets the corresponding filters in the search menu, but I think it'd be more useful and effective if, when you click one of those options, it automatically starts a search.
Showing latest posts first
As many others I didn't even notice that the comment/submissions count could bring you to the last unread post in a person's profile: it's definitely better to give it more visibility.
Besides that, and at the cost of being pedantic about it, this is a peculiar section of the forum and being able to see the newest requests/comments first may result essential for us. I saw the same issue was raised by mons, HRiddick and I think Baja too. As a cutter, what I need immediately it's the last source uploaded, so that I can promptly work on it. As a user it's pretty much the same reasoning and mons already explained perfectly why we'd really prefer have those lists sorted by newest cut-out/comment first.
Sources Pending Review
As already pointed by Hriddick the current naming "pending review" can create some confusion. Your solution may work, Footy, and I'll copy here your (and mons) solutions I'd implement:
- We can remove the "pending" option for game ready images, so that they're just "completed" or rejected.
- We can rename "Pending Review" to "Pending Cut".
- Add a seperate way of tracking which completed cuts have been seen by moderators that you guys shouldn't care about.
- No need to approve every single individual source image (I'm not a mod, but I see that mons find this solution ideal too).
In Progress
I may be wrong but I didn't notice this filter until yesterday/today. Isn't that completely similar to what in the interface is called "Being worked on" and it filters only the reserved images? If that's the case we could safely delete the latter filter menu and leave only the "in progress" option in the "Status" menu.