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If you read the article, then Pearce was spot on \o/
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 24 October 2012 - 15:12 PM
If you read the article, then Pearce was spot on \o/

What, where he says we should have paid an extra million for Stan Collymore instead?

Aye, spot on.
No, where he says that he was poor in Italy, and it's a lot to hope for him to regain his form from Holland overnight. Pearce even said that English football probably does suit him better than Italy. The comment about Collymore was more about the fact that they bought 2 players from outside the Prem at the same time, and Collymore had experience in the Prem.

Of course, it's always funny to laugh at people who can't predict the fucking future.


Also, at no point did he say Bergkamp was a waste of money
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 24 October 2012 - 15:40 PM
No, where he says that he was poor in Italy, and it's a lot to hope for him to regain his form from Holland overnight. Pearce even said that English football probably does suit him better than Italy. The comment about Collymore was more about the fact that they bought 2 players from outside the Prem at the same time, and Collymore had experience in the Prem.

Of course, it's always funny to laugh at people who can't predict the fucking future.


Also, at no point did he say Bergkamp was a waste of money


But its ok to praise someone for getting the past correct? That must have really took some thinking from Pearce.

As for Collymore, just a couple of seasons or so before that article i was watching him at Roots Hall and his Prem experience really was no greater than Platt's. Who i might add had also played in World Cups, Euro Championships and two of the top clubs in Italian football before signing for us, so why Pearce thought that he would struggle in maybe playing more games is beyond me, he was a top level footballer ffs. As for Bergkamp, of course it was a fucking gamble, EVERY SINGLE transfer in football is no matter what the fee. Though this did pay off just a little as Bergkamp is arguably the greatest overseas player this country has ever seen.

That whole article is right up there with the then Tottenham chairman Alan Sugar saying that they got a better deal signing Chris Armstrong for £6m than we did with Bergkamp...
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By VP. | Permalink | On 24 October 2012 - 16:28 PM
But its ok to praise someone for getting the past correct? That must have really took some thinking from Pearce.

As for Collymore, just a couple of seasons or so before that article i was watching him at Roots Hall and his Prem experience really was no greater than Platt's. Who i might add had also played in World Cups, Euro Championships and two of the top clubs in Italian football before signing for us, so why Pearce thought that he would struggle in maybe playing more games is beyond me, he was a top level footballer ffs. As for Bergkamp, of course it was a fucking gamble, EVERY SINGLE transfer in football is no matter what the fee. Though this did pay off just a little as Bergkamp is arguably the greatest overseas player this country has ever seen.

That whole article is right up there with the then Tottenham chairman Alan Sugar saying that they got a better deal signing Chris Armstrong for £6m than we did with Bergkamp...

No, it's just spot on that he looked at the player, and said "He was bad in Italy, and it's a gamble that Arsenal have taken on him finding the form he had in Holland". I don't see what's laughable about that

And I'm guessing Pearce was saying Platt was a gamble in that his fitness/ability to play so many games without a break after having a relatively 'relaxing' (as in recovery time was greater) few years in Italy.

I just don't get why it's so funny that at the time, based on what he had seen, Pearce said that those 2 players were a gamble and might not pay off.

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It's just an unfortunate headline. Hindsight is 20/20.
I'm not claiming some sort of superior intelligence just because I know what has happened since the publication of that article and Stuart Pearce didn't. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I just found it humorous that Pearce was casting serious doubts over a guy who ended up being one of our greatest ever players whilst offering up Stan Collymore as a better alternative. There's some humor in that fact alone, even if the headline is somewhat sensationalist.

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Pearce also says "Whether they can help Arsenal win anything this season is doubtful" and "Arsenal are a big, big club who want to win the Premiership. Personally, I see them having little or no chance of emerging as champions." which was spot on, as Arsenal came 5th and it took 3 seasons before they won something.

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By jumberto | Permalink | On 24 October 2012 - 18:11 PM
Pearce also says "Whether they can help Arsenal win anything this season is doubtful" and "Arsenal are a big, big club who want to win the Premiership. Personally, I see them having little or no chance of emerging as champions." which was spot on, as Arsenal came 5th and it took 3 seasons before they won something.


That wasn't because we signed Platt and Bergkamp, that was because we had Bruce Rioch as manager. Plus im sure it was 2 seasons iirc.
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Happy to see Gnabry starting tonight and i want to see Eisfeld get some good amount of game time.
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I wish I didn't have a job. Sounds like one helluva game.
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Edin Dzeko can go fuck himself.
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Giroud and Coquelin throwing their jerseys to the fans after 90 mins \o/
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That comeback was epic and showed the best of Walcott, Giroud & Chamakh...On the flip side, that has got to be the nail in Djourou's Arsenal coffin. I don't think Arsenal could do any worse at the back with him and Laurent "own goal" Koscielny. Abysmal performance by both of them, Kos is nowhere near the player he was last season and is deservedly behind Metesacker in the pecking order.

I would love to see Arsenal try out Walcott and Giroud up top in the league, I think they could be a good partnership with Poldi and Chamakh backing them up. Chamakh with a partner is a much, much better player.
By Simply Cas | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 11:23 AM
That comeback was epic and showed the best of Walcott, Giroud & Chamakh...On the flip side, that has got to be the nail in Djourou's Arsenal coffin. I don't think Arsenal could do any worse at the back with him and Laurent "own goal" Koscielny. Abysmal performance by both of them, Kos is nowhere near the player he was last season and is deservedly behind Metesacker in the pecking order.

I would love to see Arsenal try out Walcott and Giroud up top in the league, I think they could be a good partnership with Poldi and Chamakh backing them up. Chamakh with a partner is a much, much better player.

Koscielny's only played 3-4 games this season and was excellent last year. He might not have had the best of games recently but you don't become a bad player overnight.
By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 15:04 PM
Koscielny's only played 3-4 games this season and was excellent last year. He might not have had the best of games recently but you don't become a bad player overnight.


Well he has.

The cunt.
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By VP. | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 16:50 PM
Well he has.

The cunt.

Shut it, you.
To be fair, it was more that he became a good player overnight last season, and now he's just gone back to normal.
By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 17:26 PM
To be fair, it was more that he became a good player overnight last season, and now he's just gone back to normal.

What? He had an indifferent first season having to adapt from Ligue 1 to the Premier League, but was fantastic for most of last season. Stupid to infer that all of that good progress has immediately been wiped after a few poor performances.
That was a tongue-in-cheek comment but I remember him being an average but fairly accident-prone centre-back in his first season. Could be wrong of course.
By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 21:47 PM
That was a tongue-in-cheek comment but I remember him being an average but fairly accident-prone centre-back in his first season. Could be wrong of course.

Your not far from wrong but was competent and improved in the latter stages particularly against Barcelona in our games with them and then continued last season, probably our most improved player. Hasn't played much this season but had a good game against City and although woeful last night scored an important goal and started a counter attack to set up another. Given time im sure he'll find his form again.

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By Simply Cas | Permalink | On 31 October 2012 - 11:23 AM
That comeback was epic and showed the best of Walcott, Giroud & Chamakh...On the flip side, that has got to be the nail in Djourou's Arsenal coffin. I don't think Arsenal could do any worse at the back with him and Laurent "own goal" Koscielny. Abysmal performance by both of them, Kos is nowhere near the player he was last season and is deservedly behind Metesacker in the pecking order.

I would love to see Arsenal try out Walcott and Giroud up top in the league, I think they could be a good partnership with Poldi and Chamakh backing them up. Chamakh with a partner is a much, much better player.


Would mean dropping one of Cazorla, Arteta or Wilshere. Though I definitely want to see Walcott up front for a couple of games in the league.
By AFC | Permalink | On 01 November 2012 - 01:22 AM
Would mean dropping one of Cazorla, Arteta or Wilshere. Though I definitely want to see Walcott up front for a couple of games in the league.

I think we should start with Giroud in the bigger games and bring Theo on in the latter stages. If we're on the backfoot for a lot of the game then Giroud is good for holding up the ball and bringing others into play whilst Walcott would be largely ineffective. I do think we should start using him predominantly as a striker from now on though.
I'm often critical of Walcott, but he's drastically improved this season, and I really hope he signs a new contract. I didn't want him to at the start of the season (well, to an extent) but he's a vital part of our team right now.

Bradford away in the next round. It's one of the closest games to Glasgow Arsenal will get this season. I'm very tempted to head down to that.
By smurphptfc | Permalink | On 01 November 2012 - 01:46 AM
I'm often critical of Walcott, but he's drastically improved this season, and I really hope he signs a new contract. I didn't want him to at the start of the season (well, to an extent) but he's a vital part of our team right now.

Bradford away in the next round. It's one of the closest games to Glasgow Arsenal will get this season. I'm very tempted to head down to that.

I've never understood some of the criticism of Walcott. I know he's not the most consistent of players but that's often the case with wingers, and most sides will always have players who are consistent yet unspectacular (e.g. Arteta, Mertesacker) but they'll need to have guys like Walcott who can win you games on their own. We've always known what a fantastic talent he is when it comes to running at players and beating tired defences, but last season he really upped his game in terms of crossing and finishing. He seems much more composed in front of goal this season than he used to be, as displayed by his finishes against West Ham and the first against Reading last night. He's a really important player for us and I'll be devastated if he leaves. If we're willing to give Gervinho a shot up front then I think Theo more than derseves his chance.
By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 01 November 2012 - 01:52 AM
I've never understood some of the criticism of Walcott. I know he's not the most consistent of players but that's often the case with wingers, and most sides will always have players who are consistent yet unspectacular (e.g. Arteta, Mertesacker) but they'll need to have guys like Walcott who can win you games on their own. We've always known what a fantastic talent he is when it comes to running at players and beating tired defences, but last season he really upped his game in terms of crossing and finishing. He seems much more composed in front of goal this season than he used to be, as displayed by his finishes against West Ham and the first against Reading last night. He's a really important player for us and I'll be devastated if he leaves. If we're willing to give Gervinho a shot up front then I think Theo more than derseves his chance.

The thing with Walcott is he in small doses didn't nothing to change the criticism he received in terms of his final product when playing out wide. When Waddle said he didn't have a football brain i thought that was very unfair although in small doses you can see what he meant. Walcott has improved season by season and he should be playing up front more. I can't understand Gervinho playing in the middle when you have Podolski wide and Walcott on the bench, someone who is yearning for that chance and in my opinion would be better suited.

That being said, with Gervinho injured for three weeks it might be a blessing in disguise, i'd like to see Theo given a chance up front for sure. Giroud is brilliant at making runs and is probably the most consistent player we have for getting in the box. Thats one of the things thats diminished from our game. Countless times i've seen Arsenal go forward and the wide players have nobody to play the ball into and have nobody making a run into the box.
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This isn't written by me but it does share my thoughts. I've nearly always stuck up for the club but its now time for change, something drastically needs to be done or we will very quickly find ourselves in the same position as Liverpool.

Awful. Absolutely awful. Winning goal irrelevant at the end there. Can’t protect a lead. Pointless. Utterly pointless. We’re at that stage we were at the back end of the 11/12 season after the Carling Cup final [Note: I meant 10/11 season] where you couldn’t cheer a goal. It was impossible too because you knew we’d concede. Its back to that now. It just seems worthless using your energy to do so because you now expect to concede every game.

That’s Fulham at home. 3 goals shipped in to Fulham, at home. From a 2-0 lead as well. Honestly, it’s shocking. Unbelievably we look a centre-back short again. As in, we look like we could do with another because the others no longer look up to it. I’m sick & fucking tired of the same old shit, shit mistakes being churned out, year after year after year. We’re a GK short. We’re a CB short. We need a left back. We need a tough tackling midfielder and we’re a striker short as well and we’ve been all of those short for fucking years now there’s something wrong within the club; it’s not just the players. Because it’s completely different personnel than it was 4 years ago, but they continue to make the same glaringly obvious mistakes, it’s getting boring now; victory is now a surprise, irrespective of whom the opposition is.

We needed the likes of Podolski, Giroud & Cazorla on top of the players we had last season. On top of them. Additions. But with the subsequent sales of Van Persie, Song & Theo in January, they will have all turned into replacements. All we’ve done, summer after summer is look to replace when we’ve needed additions on top of what we’ve already had. Sell 1, buy 1. Buy 1, sell 1. We need to start buying 2 before we’re selling 1.

It’s all wrong; the mentality is all wrong & I’ve finally had enough. I try to be as positive & as supportive as I can be, but I can’t find it in me to cheer a goal, because I think we’ll concede every game.

I can’t believe in 2012/13 we’ve relied on the likes of Abou Diaby & Rosicky to be fit. Honestly, if someone would have told you in 2009 that in 2012, you will miss Diaby & Rosicky, I’d have said you’re mental. They won’t be at the club then. We’ve pinned our hopes on those two staying fit for a season when they’ve never managed that before!? It makes no sense what so ever… and I’m sorry, but there is something fundamentally wrong, within the club, and finally, after years of witnessing the same thing & trying to find excuse after excuse, whilst searching for the positives, I can’t find them anymore. I’d like to hold my hands up & say I’m sorry, but I don’t know any more. I don’t know what’s wrong, where we’re going or what we’re doing. I’m completely totally & utterly lost & I no longer have an answer for anything anymore.

The personnel problems started right at the end of the 07/08 season. We pushed Utd & Chelsea right to the 37th fixture that year & perhaps we should have won it. But we should have sat down & evaluated what was needed. But nope, we made do. It was the start of us ‘making do’. We lost Diarra, Lehmann, Flamini, Gilberto, & Hleb. We bought Ramsey & Nasri… Then made do. We probably needed a Nasri on top of what we had in order to push that one last bit. Subsequently, there were no additions. We barely replaced. We bought Arshavin in Jan when we should have bought him in the summer previous. Clawed our way to 4th. That summer? Lost Toure &Adebayor;. In? Vermaelen. Again, we needed a Vermaelen on top of what we had, so again, no additions. Just making do, once again.

We then finally made an attempt to replace those two losses a whole year later with Koscielny & Chamakh. So where are the additions? To help push on? By now, we’ve lost Eduardo as well. We go into 2011 summer. We lose Nasri, Cesc, Eboue & Clichy. We’re down. We already needed additions to compete, on top of what we had so now, we’re fucked basically.

We then send a depleted side to Old Trafford & Arsene lines up 4-3-3 & they’re ripped apart from 1st minute to last. Embarrassing. How dare he line that side up as open as that, at Old Trafford. 4-5-1, pack that midfield out & play flat. Come away with a 2/3 goal defeat, people understand. But we’ve left ourselves in a position where we’re selecting left backs that are being sold the very next day. Why the fuck, how the fuck, is Traore getting anywhere near that starting XI!?

We then leave it last minute, in true supermarket sweep fashion to bring in Mertesacker, Santos, Arteta & Benayoun. Ok, you’ve made your purchases. Not everyone’s choices, but you’ve made them never the less. We’ll get behind them…& as much as I love the likes of Arteta & as much as I respect & appreciate that we somehow finished 3rd in a shit-off between ourselves Tottenham, Chelsea & Newcastle - we knew what we needed so that we wouldn’t find ourselves in this position again. We knew, we all did & at the start we thought the club did too.

We went out & completed deals for Podolski, Giroud & Cazorla. It was exciting, because finally, after years of not doing so, squad personnel/options looked good again. It may have been good enough.

But then every single one of us was smacked in the face with the sales of Van Persie, Song & the Theo issue not being resolved.

“Sorry, Theo. We can’t offer you that extra 10k or whatever you want a week because Mr 28 year old & Mr 30 year old have no footballing ambition whatsoever & want to sit on their 50/60k p/w wages which prevents us from keeping our most dangerous player, which you are. Bye.”

Makes… no… fucking… sense… WHATSOVER.

It’s the club’s fault we’ll lose Theo, not his. Not his at all. And once again we find ourselves in the same, moronic, tiresome position of being short in the exact, same positions we have been for yeeeaaarrrs.

It’s not on, it’s not acceptable. We’re not Everton. We don’t have to sell before we can buy & hope we find a gem. David Moyes has to make do because they haven’t a pot to piss in. Which wouldn’t bother me if we were in the same position. But we have pots. Fucking loads of ‘em. Each & every single board member has their own individual diamond encrusted, gold rimmed pot to urinate all over whenever the fuck they like.

This club does not give itself a chance, on the pitch. We make do through choice, not because we have to. We don’t compete because we choose not to compete. Not because we can’t. Year after year, all we do is make do. No conviction. No direction. No ambition. Farce… and there’s not a single person out there who knows how much it’s taken me to voice an opinion as strong as that.
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Yeah but the point this all redirects to is that you support a team that week in week out is performing with the best in the world- a team that is extremely talented and gets big results often, against the best of teams. Think about fans of small, non-league and lower placed sides- they care about the club, and will always follow it.

Arsenal are another club like the rest, it is not a farce, look where it is at the moment. Sometimes we need perspective. Being a fan of a club that struggle can give you that. And when I say struggle, I don't mean compete with the best teams in Europe and the World and finish as one of the best 4 teams in a nation of 60 million for about 10 seasons in a row...
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