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How did anyone put up with Craig Bellamy, used to constantly moan like fuck at everyone on the pitch. Also to add to what Ninja said, i think its fucking disgraceful the way players are allowed to swear at the refs/linesman and get away with it and this is coming from someone who was terrible at arguing with refs over their decisions during games. But even at our level you would never get away with swearing at the ref, usually a straight red for telling him fuck off for example.

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By VP. | On 03 January 2014 - 16:34 PM

How did anyone put up with Craig Bellamy, used to constantly moan like fuck at everyone on the pitch. Also to add to what Ninja said, i think its fucking disgraceful the way players are allowed to swear at the refs/linesman and get away with it and this is coming from someone who was terrible at arguing with refs over their decisions during games. But even at our level you would never get away with swearing at the ref, usually a straight red for telling him fuck off for example.

We can probably vouch for Bellamy being a cunt given he once famously threw an airport chair at one of our coaches following a row over a parking space, and almost clobbered Shay Given instead.

Maybe refs have spent so long having players shout at them that they now think its time to give it a go back themselves, to some respect. If it stays at words and doesn't escalate to refs jut not giving decisions because they hate the players, then that is a problem.

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By VP. | On 03 January 2014 - 16:34 PM

How did anyone put up with Craig Bellamy, used to constantly moan like fuck at everyone on the pitch. Also to add to what Ninja said, i think its fucking disgraceful the way players are allowed to swear at the refs/linesman and get away with it and this is coming from someone who was terrible at arguing with refs over their decisions during games. But even at our level you would never get away with swearing at the ref, usually a straight red for telling him fuck off for example.

This came up when I was on a reffing course once. The course leader was Phil Sharp, who ran the line in the 2002 World Cup final, so has probably heard it all.

His justification of why you don't see it punished is due to two factors.

The first one is refs don't want to ruin the spectacle of the game by sending off players for something that only really effects them.

The second is that because at a Professional level you're surrounded by police, security guards and authority figures that are there to protect safety that you know abuse is never going to go beyond verbals. Referees at the level we played at don't have that and you have to manage the game better and deal with issues using what you have at your disposal. If you lose control at the back of the mind theres always the worry that something could go wrong.

That's no justification for what players do, but as an explanation for why referees don't deal with it I think both points are quite good.

I quite like Clattenberg's way of dealing with it though, officials at this level are obviously thick skinned but I bet Lallana felt like enough of a dick to shut up for the rest of the game without Clattenberg having to send him off.

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Looks like Southampton aren't content to let the PGMOL judgement be the end of the matter:

The club are determined to help the FA carry out a full investigation after Riley claimed in his letter that it was simply 'game management'.

Southampton spokesman Jordan Sibley said: 'An official insulting any player, no matter his intentions, is clearly not acceptable behaviour. For this reason we do not accept the verdict of the PGMOL in relation to this case, and do not consider the matter to be over.

'Under the circumstances we do not feel it appropriate for Mr Clattenburg to officiate in any of our matches until this matter is properly resolved.'

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03 Jan 2014 18:05:05

Where can I buy my justice for Lallana t-shirt?

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03 Jan 2014 18:26:29

Rodgers has been charged so I hope Moyes gets same treatment

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By Ninja | On 03 January 2014 - 17:22 PM

The first one is refs don't want to ruin the spectacle of the game by sending off players for something that only really effects them.

I've always hated this is as a reason not to send somebody off. It's total bollocks. The only people it 'ruins the spectacle' for is the team that's down to 10 men.

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By bluemoon. | On 03 January 2014 - 18:56 PM

I've always hated this is as a reason not to send somebody off. It's total bollocks. The only people it 'ruins the spectacle' for is the team that's down to 10 men.

Yeah not like theres thousands of fans in the stadium who have paid to watch the game.

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By Carroll. | On 03 January 2014 - 18:26 PM

Rodgers has been charged so I hope Moyes gets same treatment

Why? Surely there's a difference between saying the ref made a bad decision, and implying the ref was deliberately biased?

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By bluemoon. | On 03 January 2014 - 18:56 PM

I've always hated this is as a reason not to send somebody off. It's total bollocks. The only people it 'ruins the spectacle' for is the team that's down to 10 men.

I'm not saying it's right, just that I've heard thats how at least some of them think.

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03 Jan 2014 20:50:34

It's going to be interesting to see how the relationship between Vincent Tan and Ole Gunnar Solskjær pans out...

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By Number 1 | On 03 January 2014 - 17:56 PM

Looks like Southampton aren't content to let the PGMOL judgement be the end of the matter:

Clearly a way of just making sure they don't get Clattenburg as a ref for a while. Not a bad idea

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By King Luis | On 03 January 2014 - 18:57 PM

Yeah not like theres thousands of fans in the stadium who have paid to watch the game.

Fuck off, that's a shit reason

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By Slashman X | On 03 January 2014 - 21:11 PM

Fuck off, that's a shit reason

Im not saying its not a shit reason, but it would hardly ruin the spectacle for one a team who lose a player would it. They're not sat watching the game.

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03 Jan 2014 21:23:37

Certainly ruined the Newcastle - Arsenal 4-4 draw, the City - Spurs FA. Cup 4-3. City - QPR etc

A smaller team scoring early against a bigger team ruins the spectacle more than a red card, should we stop letting that happen?

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By King Luis | On 03 January 2014 - 18:57 PM

Yeah not like theres thousands of fans in the stadium who have paid to watch the game.

And? Red cards are part of the game. If you start using that as an excuse not to make certain decisions then the whole game's fucked. If it's an offence worthy of a red card then a red card should be given, regardless of 'the spectacle of the game'.

By Ninja | On 03 January 2014 - 19:38 PM

I'm not saying it's right, just that I've heard thats how at least some of them think.

I know, I was aiming it more generally at people who believe that.

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03 Jan 2014 23:21:21

All Sunderland fans have to go on official transport for the derby. - Must be a bit shit for fans who don't live in Sunderland. (although not living in Sunderland is a positive)

Seems a bit shit.

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By Slashman X | On 03 January 2014 - 21:10 PM

Clearly a way of just making sure they don't get Clattenburg as a ref for a while. Not a bad idea

Probably, yeah. Doubt it'll work, mind.

By Shola | On 03 January 2014 - 23:21 PM

All Sunderland fans have to go on official transport for the derby. - Must be a bit shit for fans who don't live in Sunderland. (although not living in Sunderland is a positive)

Seems a bit shit.

I thought this was happening a lot more often in what the police think are games with potential for trouble. It's a bit shit, yes, but it seems to be viewed as the solution to... something.

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04 Jan 2014 12:32:34

Andy Carroll is back training with first team...he may play v Cardiff next week!

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04 Jan 2014 13:22:28

A red card is a red card and whether or not issuing one ruins the 'spectacle' of the game is completely irrelevant.

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04 Jan 2014 15:59:31

By Shola | On 03 January 2014 - 23:21 PM

All Sunderland fans have to go on official transport for the derby. - Must be a bit shit for fans who don't live in Sunderland. (although not living in Sunderland is a positive)

Seems a bit shit.

Could just drive to wherever the official transport meets, imagine that would be stadium, then I don't see there is much difference driving a few more miles

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By Carroll. | On 04 January 2014 - 15:59 PM

Could just drive to wherever the official transport meets, imagine that would be stadium, then I don't see there is much difference driving a few more miles

If someone was getting a train into Newcastle to watch the game they'd have to go 15 miles out their way just to drive 15 miles back again on a supporters coach, then after the game travel 15 miles back to Sunderland just to travel 15 miles back into Newcastle for their train.

Makes extremely little sense and it's not going to stop violence.

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By Carroll. | On 04 January 2014 - 15:59 PM

Could just drive to wherever the official transport meets, imagine that would be stadium, then I don't see there is much difference driving a few more miles

If someone was getting a train into Newcastle to watch the game they'd have to go 15 miles out their way just to drive 15 miles back again on a supporters coach, then after the game travel 15 miles back to Sunderland just to travel 15 miles back into Newcastle for their train.

Makes extremely little sense and it's not going to stop violence.

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04 Jan 2014 23:44:19

Get the train to Sunderland?

I'm not saying its not an inconvenience cause it is, but it's not that bad

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By Carroll. | On 04 January 2014 - 15:59 PM

Could just drive to wherever the official transport meets, imagine that would be stadium, then I don't see there is much difference driving a few more miles

Well that's 'fine' assuming you live south of Sunderland. If you live north - it will mean travelling in the wrong direction. Plus a massive ballache for people who live within walking distance of the stadium. Instead of a 2 minute walk, a two hour journey and the additional costs of it.

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07 Jan 2014 18:43:38

Although buses are still being provided by Sunderland and they say it will be the easiest way to the club, the restriction of this mode of travel being the mandatory way to go to the game has been lifted.

The two teams have also put out the following joint statement...

Newcastle United and Sunderland AFC are surprised and disappointed with the statement issued yesterday by Northumbria Police in which the force claims that the police cannot direct changes to kick-off times for the clubs' fixtures, referring in particular to the derby games.

Over a number of years both clubs have made repeated representations to Northumbria Police to try and reach agreement over kick-off times to enable a traditional 3pm kick-off or later to enable broadcasters to give the game consideration in the majority of their time slots for live coverage.

Police forces up and down the country have been able to police high-profile derby matches for years, including most recently the first Welsh derby in the Premier League, Cardiff v Swansea, on Sunday 3rd November at 4:00pm, Arsenal v Tottenham at 5:15pm on Saturday 4th January, and Manchester City v Manchester United on Sunday 22nd September at 4:00pm.

In recent years Northumbria Police have rejected every request made by the clubs for later kick-off slots including Saturday 5:30pm, Sunday 4:00pm and Monday 8:00pm.

Both clubs have evidence in the form of considerable written correspondence between Northumbria Police, the Premier League and the clubs which contradicts their statement of yesterday. Indeed that correspondence has stated that Northumbria Police would not be prepared to police the evening fixtures requested previously, as well as their confirmation to the Premier League in writing in January 2013 that the force would not support derby matches with kick-off times later than 1:30pm.

For Northumbria Police therefore to issue a statement stating that they do not direct changes to kick-off times is quite frankly false and absurd - and conflicts with the respectful and responsible manner in which both Newcastle United and Sunderland AFC have engaged with the police over many years with regard to the derby fixture.

In light of Northumbria Police's latest statement, Newcastle United and Sunderland AFC will now inform the Premier League that all future fixtures between the two clubs will be available for kick-off times to suit the clubs, the League and their broadcast partners, if applicable, and will expect Northumbria Police to police these games, especially given the considerable costs both clubs incur for such special police services.

After considering the police position, Sunderland AFC will be withdrawing the terms and conditions of ticket sales, which previously stated that all supporters must attend the game on official transport. The arrangements to provide complimentary buses and supporters branch transport will remain in place and Sunderland AFC advises fans that this is the safest method of travel to St James’ Park.