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#570557 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
@Footygamer
Now that you fixed that bug, all the names of players/staff, when you search for somebody, have disappeared. The little iconface beside the name (when a player already has a cut-out) is gone too. I don't know if it's related to your previous change.
#570469 Jomoul Francois
Ernesttico
I've uploaded it myself as a response to your source, so this request will be marked as complete. @Side Splitting Pass
#570094 Michael Estrada
Ernesttico
Done! 😉
#570093 Nassim Miri
Ernesttico
@krissmed I've resized it for him 😉
#569961 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Thanks for the reply, @Footygamer.
Which of the proposals we made in the last posts do you think you'll implement?
I feel your two suggestions might be ok (I don't have a precise opinion right now) but should be considered quality of life improvements that might be added at a later stage.
Now that packs have not limits of images uploadable anymore, I feel the main focus should be giving two different feeds/sections to individual requests and pack requests. Yesterday a user uploaded two mixpacks of 50 images each (all good sources that will definitely fill some gaps and update our current cuts), but as it is now, all those pics went in the usual feed where individual requests are. Imagine if only two other users would have done the same, now that's nothing preventing our feed to get "flooded" by requests...
Right now we have 10 pages of pending sources only and this number is only gonna increase if we keep the system the way it is.
What we'd need is:
- Creation of two feeds/sections, mutually exclusive, that will display ONLY the pics of their category: one with only individual requests images visible and another one with only pack requests images visible.
- For the pack feed/section I'd use a different system: not all the single images displayed in a long list like for individual requests (it'd be unmanageable in that case), but a list of the titles of the packs, showed each in a single line, with an option to click and expand the request, so that you can see all the images inside (maybe via a button).
- Add a filter option (pending, completed, rejected) to the packs feed/section.
- When you click on a pack submission, the names of the players/staff are not showed. Can you make them visible (maybe adding their IDs too)?
- Set a limit of 10 requests for individual requests (obviously only once all the other changes will be active.
Maybe, at a later stage, we could review this number and decrease it a bit if we feel we're getting way too requests compared to the work of active cutters.
Can you please tell me if you're gonna take in consideration and start working on any of these ideas, Footy? I don't wanna to push you, but if we're not gonna make these changes in a reasonable time, I fear the current unique list is gonna be filled with thousands of pending requests, becoming a mess for cutters and users.
Have a good day, everyone!
#569864 Cisse Sandra
Ernesttico
#569862 Daan Legro
Ernesttico
#569600 Cut-Out Faces Megapack TECHNICAL SUPPORT thread - please read first post before posting
Ernesttico
Or try here, at the end of the page. 😉
#569457 Arne Robert Hartvigsen
Ernesttico
#569245 sortitoutsi 2021 is here! - New website available now
Ernesttico
I think I understood what he's referring to. It's something I didn't notice until now, but it'd be useful to have it addressed.
In the old forum, when you would search for a team using the Search Cut Outs function, you would get a grid with all the faces of players/staff members of that team, even the people that still don't have a cut (there was a dark default face as a placeholder for them). Now in that grid there're only people with a cut, but not the others.
Example with Fiorentiina cut-outs grid: as you can see, comparing it with the team profile page, there's no trace of players like Lorenzo Petronelli, Elia Masini, Jonathan Spedalieri and many others that don't have a cut-out.
I used this page a lot to check at a glance which players/staff were still missing from a specific team. It'd be fantastic to have this feature available again (it shouldn't be too hard to re-implement this).
Edit: Damn, I saw tuodi8shi's reply only now!
#569086 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
It seems today we had quite a lot of ideas and improvements in this thread. Good! 🙂
1) I agree that we need to set a limit for individual requests. In the old forum we had a total of 6 individual requests per user (considering the sum of missing and improvement requests). We might think to raise it and bring the total to 10, why not.
2) I strongly agree on this point. As I said in one of my recent post it'd be better to have two separate feeds or sections for individual and pack requests so that the users can switch between the two and they don't interfere with each other.
These requests have always been processed at two different rates: a quicker pace for individual and a slower one for packs in general. This way, we could set different limits: 6 or 10 for single requests and maybe no limits for the packs (as it was before).
The packs feed/section shouldn't be like the current submission feed with all the individual faces visible, but more like a list of every single pack, or it won't be useful and well organized. As SSP proposed we might think to add an "expand request" button/arrow to show all the images contained in them. Plus in this feed/section we should have a bar to filter "Pending", "completed" and "rejected" packs. Once this feed is up and running and we don't risk to create any "flooding" in the individual requests feed, I could help and check all the old packs and point out to mons and/or SSP the ones that are still pending, in order to change their status from "completed" to "pending".
3) I don't have an opinion one way or the other about mixpacks, but if there's one person moderating the pack section, we could easily leave the chance to create them.
4) I'm the short end of the stick in here so my opinion in this matter can be disregarded, but if I have to think to someone to serve as moderator of the pack section, there's only one candidate in my mind: SSP. 🙂
#569063 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
That's where the mistake is!
When you have another source image and you wanna post it, you don't have to use the "Upload response" button or the old source image will be automatically marked as completed. Instead, use the "Upload image" link in the upper and bottom bars in the timeline. 😉
Upload response is only for game ready images!
#569057 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Actually from what I see in the log of the timeline you probably marked the first source as "completed", then you reverted it back. When you want to upload a new source pic, don't bother marking the other(s) as completed. It will be whoever cuts it to decide which image could produce a better cut.
The issue that has to be fixed is that after someone cut one of the images, all the other pending source requests should be marked automatically as completed. 😉
#569048 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
It's something that should be addressed shortly. Basically with the new timeline we encourage everyone to post new images, adding them as new source images.
For example here, you can see that there're two pending sources. If you upload a cut as a response to one of them, the other one will still remain pending and that's something that we might wanna avoid in order to keep clean the submission feed.
My idea would be to leave the chance to upload as many sources you want, but after the cutter choose the best image and upload a game ready cut, then all sources still pending should be automatically converted to completed.
@Footygamer, I know you have a lot to do and this feature is already on the "new site issue" thread, but could you please try to fix that, when you have time? Thanks!
#568985 Home thread for the FM24 Cut-Out Megapack - 2024.07 OUT NOW [15/04/2024]
Ernesttico
If you download the Complete pack 13.0 you're good to go, as it's the most up-to-date version. More updates will be released in the next months, as per usual.
#568968 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Yes, exactly a filter like that. All the images in the teampacks wouldn't appear in the submission feed, but in a separate and dedicated feed/page (and obviously in the Packs page), so there wouldn't be any confusion when you want to go through the individual requests.
If we manage to separate these two sections - individual requests and packs - in some way, perhaps we could also assign different limits to them: let's say 10 for individual requests and an amount to decide together for packs (maybe removing this limit for those "certified users" we talked about before).
Of course, these are all extemporaneous ideas that will have to be elaborated furtherly, in case.
@Footygamer, what do you reckon? Would all these changes be feasible in the new system?
#568947 James Tavernier
Ernesttico
#568911 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
For the time being and in expectation of definitive measures, it can be a good compromise. 🙂
You're right, and from my previous post I may have excluded another important aspect you pointed out: as I said we should try to give everyone the chance to upload a good amount of pics, it's true, but on the other hand it'd be better if the submission page wouldn't be flooded by thousands of requests, as it'd quickly become unmanageable and give the wrong impression to new users.
Before, we prevented that by dedicating a filter/section to each category of images: this means that on average we usually had 3 pages of missing images, 3 pages of improvements, 12-15 pages of teampacks and 1-2 of mixpacks. All in all, one could find everything easily: the individual requests got cut quicker, while the teampacks and mixpacks were done at a slower pace but they could also pile up without interfering with the accessibility of the individual request section.
With the new system and all the categories merged in a unique page and with a higher limit of requests per user, I fear we'll find ourselves with dozens of pages in the submission section, but respect to the past it'll be harder to find the content we want to cut/see. Imagine all the images contained in the old packs mixed together with the individual requests with no chance to filter them...
I know I'm trying to hold on to everything and I don't want necessarily to come back to the old system if we have decided to experiment new ways (even because I started to appreciate the timeline concept and all its advantages), but for the moment I can't think of a solution that'd allow us to have an high limit for requests while having few pages of requests like it was before (if we wanna keep a unique feed for every kind of requests, individual and packs).
Maybe, and I say maybe, as I'm throwing ideas out atm, we could add a filter that would allow us to separate the feed and let us switch between individual and pack requests. Or maybe create two separate sections with two different feeds directly.
Apart from that, I like mons suggestion to grant some users a "certified user" status and give them a very high or no limits to the amount of requests they can submit.
#568856 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Right as it is now, with a limit of 20 images per user, there’s no point in having a pack section anymore. If you collect images for a standard first team plus the staff members you’ll cross that line way easily, forcing the requester to split the pack in more parts.
So far SSP has provided us a huge amount of incredibly high-quality source images (btw thanks for everyone of them 🙂 ) and he, as other constantly present requesters will be severely hit by the new system.
You’re right, mons, when you say that the old teampack section became a sort of dumping ground with some good sources probably wasted, but as a cutter I feel that before I could cherry-pick a request depending on my daily tastes: if one day I wanted to cut a Manchester City pack, the next one an unknown 2nd league Jamaican team and the next one after a Glenavon request I could. I guess the reasoning is the same for requesters too.
Now the choice is extremely narrow and “force” us to cut exactly those 20 images (per user) to have 20 more available. It’s like a Chaplin-esque Modern Times feeling, if you know what I mean.
I think the pace we were cutting images was already ok (it has even increased in the last year, actually) and while we could work even more efficiently, this must not be at the expense of seeing my choices reduced, because it’s the motivations that drive my work and the one of other cutters.
I may have been overdramatic here, I know, but it’s a serious matter we should approach with the whole community to decide which would be the best line to follow for the future (that’s why I’d encourage anyone to express their opinions about it here).
As always, my 2 cents.
#568795 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
I've just noticed that after a cut is uploaded you can still use the "I'm working on it" button on the game ready cut. Could you please disable that option for game ready images? Ty.
#568751 Pelayo Pérez
Ernesttico
You're welcome, Pipo. Please don't reupload the same cut, even if you see the request still pending. This issue will probably be fixed soon.
#568711 Petar Pavlovic
Ernesttico
#568693 Pantelis Panourgias
Ernesttico
I submitted it just 10 seconds before you uploaded this source! Incredible! XD
Anyway, thanks a lot SSP! We now have a 250x250 cut for this player.
#568691 Pantelis Panourgias
Ernesttico
I've managed to resize the original pic and get a decent 180x180 cut. 😉
#568639 Cut-Out Faces Megapack TECHNICAL SUPPORT thread - please read first post before posting
Ernesttico
I checked the md5 checksum of the file I downloaded and it's identical to yours. 😉
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#568619 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Let me tell you, the interface looks quite neat after all your changes and improvements. Thanks!
As for the future changes, I'm curious to see what they'll look like after the implementation. 🙂
I'll post some comments below on specific issues:
Remove submissions in favour of "recent activity"
I'm actually getting the hang of this new system and I like the current set-up, that's why I'd prefer to leave the submission section on the main submissions page there, instead of having the recent activity feed.
I don't pay too much attention on what's going on the recent activity feed, but that's a personal preference. Maybe other users have an opposite experience. I think an elegant solution would be having both these sections as tabs, so anyone can switch between them, according to their preferences.
In Progress
Since the "in progress" tag concerns only source images, you could remove the "Game ready" option under the "In progress" button (and maybe from the "Status" filters too, but only in case someone select "Game Ready" in the "Type" filters).
"In Pack" Status filter
I feel this filter should not be a selectable option in the Status menu. All we get is a huge list of MegaPack cuts, not so useful for cutters and users too. We already have better ways to get those kind of results via the Megapack History (inside a player profile) or via the Search Cut Outs. This would allow us to have there only the 4 essential Status filters we need: "Completed", "Pending", "In Progress" and "Rejected".
Pack Submissions page
1) Can you add a Status filter bar in this page too, so that we could filter "completed" "pending" and "rejected/deleted" pack requests?
2) Make these dots clickable so we can type the desired number of the page we want to go to (as it happens in other forum sections).
3) When we click on a pack and we get to its page with all the source images included in it, it'd be great to have a button to download only the pending requests (excluding completed and rejected sources). We could name it "Download only pending" and it could be yellow. This would be a practical solution to allow the cutters to focus only on the remaining pending images in a pack, and avoid us to do some extra work, deleting the completed/rejected sources in the downloaded folder. We could place this button beside the already existing "Download all" button.
4) Near this new button, could you add an "Assign me all images" button too? It'd be great to be able to reserve the whole pack with one click, instead of having to click the "I'm working on this" link for every single image.
Other issues
- The thanks button is not visible in my posts, while is fine for other's posts. Also, can you please make it display the nicknames of the people that clicked it, when you hover over it?
- Can you add a "last edited" message at the end of one edited post, with date and time of the last edit?
#568464 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
As always, thanks Footy for discussing with us the upcoming changes and how to improve this section.
Draft/Deleted
As you may have noticed in my recent posts, I always give priority to streamlining the interface as much as possible. I understand these categories have a certain utility, but as a user I'd remove them from searchable filters. Maybe we could leave them visible only to moderators?
Special Moderation UI
The coloured button is a nice solution and the options available are like shortcuts to the main filters we use.
Right now when you click on one of the options (the button itself, Source or Game ready) it only sets the corresponding filters in the search menu, but I think it'd be more useful and effective if, when you click one of those options, it automatically starts a search.
Showing latest posts first
As many others I didn't even notice that the comment/submissions count could bring you to the last unread post in a person's profile: it's definitely better to give it more visibility.
Besides that, and at the cost of being pedantic about it, this is a peculiar section of the forum and being able to see the newest requests/comments first may result essential for us. I saw the same issue was raised by mons, HRiddick and I think Baja too. As a cutter, what I need immediately it's the last source uploaded, so that I can promptly work on it. As a user it's pretty much the same reasoning and mons already explained perfectly why we'd really prefer have those lists sorted by newest cut-out/comment first.
Sources Pending Review
As already pointed by Hriddick the current naming "pending review" can create some confusion. Your solution may work, Footy, and I'll copy here your (and mons) solutions I'd implement:
- We can remove the "pending" option for game ready images, so that they're just "completed" or rejected.
- We can rename "Pending Review" to "Pending Cut".
- Add a seperate way of tracking which completed cuts have been seen by moderators that you guys shouldn't care about.
- No need to approve every single individual source image (I'm not a mod, but I see that mons find this solution ideal too).
In Progress
I may be wrong but I didn't notice this filter until yesterday/today. Isn't that completely similar to what in the interface is called "Being worked on" and it filters only the reserved images? If that's the case we could safely delete the latter filter menu and leave only the "in progress" option in the "Status" menu.
#568157 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
I think this is an effect of the migration of all the packs from the old site to the new one. Maybe, and I say maybe, if not automatically, this could be addressed manually...and in that case I'd be glad to give mons a hand to sort the pending packs from the completed ones and give them the right tag.
#568146 Emilio Vega
Ernesttico
I cut them both, so mons can decide which one to include in the MP and leave the other one as an alternative.
#568125 New forum - with brief description of changes in the first post
Ernesttico
Just as an example I'll use this completed request. Do you see the icon with three vertical dots, just beside the tags ("source" or "game ready"😉 of every image? Click on it and from the options that will appear click on "Download". This way, you can download every image you desire from the timeline.
EDIT: Here, a screenshot is better than a thousand words!